Is my BLD method freestyle?

[Hai Yan Zhuang]

I talked about freestyle with Chrise .He said my method is not freestyle .I have fixed buffer,and ererytime I solve two edge.There have 432 pair off edges (maybe ,I am not sure) and 378 pair off corners. So I have 810 formula.
All the formula is the best formula.I can finish every formula in 2 seconds ,and I can finish many of the formula in 1 seconds.Actrually I have 1000+ formula. So ,when I solve the cube I just need remenber all the edge pair. When I remember one edge pair I can use the corresponding formula immediately,enen if I need not to think.So if my hand fast enought the BLD speed should fast than speed solve.But my hand is not fast enough.

I think even if using the method "freestyle",the best way is to find the fastest speed to solve each paird of edge. If you have remember all the fastest formula before the solving.You really can get fastest speed.So I think maybe my method is freestyle.I just to make every step of the solve to use the best formula.

Actrually,I have never wrote out may formula.I am not good at writting formula,and I'm fed up with writting formula .If I retired someday. All my formula will lost in the wind.

 

[Chuck]

Wow, hi Hai Yan!
It's very rare that you appear on Speedsolving forum.

By the way, I don't have any idea for answering your question, because I'm still using "braindead" M2 & Classic Pochmann right now. But in my opinion, it doesn't matter whether your method are freestyle or not, your amazing speed records is what matters.

Please tell Tong Jiang, "Wicaksono Adi say hi."

 

[Marcell]

You use a fixed buffer and you use fixed algorithms ("forumlas") - this isn't really freestyle, more like the BH method.

 

[deadalnix]

For me it's freestyle. Braindead freestyle but freestyle

You seems to use BH. Maybe, if you are bored to write all the formulas, you can just write down which one is different from chris's : http://www.speedcubing.com/chris/bhcorners.html and http://www.speedcubing.com/chris/bhedges.html

 

[cmhardw]

I talked about freestyle with Chrise .He said my method is not freestyle .

Hello Hai Yan! It's good to see you posting on the forum here, and nice to meet you!

I wonder if you mean me when you said you talked to someone. If you mean me I feel bad, because I do not remember this conversation. I have searched all of my e-mail and personal messages and can't find a correspondence between us. :-S I'm not sure I would say that your method is not freestyle. You and Daniel Beyer and I all have the same idea, to solve from a fixed buffer using braindead algs, but we restrict ourselves to using commutators for all possible 3 cycles. This, I think, is a slightly slower version for 3x3x3 because you could often do U perms or something easier than a commutator. The reason we use commutators though is to allow us to use the same exact method on a 5x5x5 (or a 7x7x7) before having solved the center pieces.

I wonder if you also independently discovered the same method as Daniel Beyer and I! If so perhaps we're all using the BHZ method, or the ZBH method, Z for Zhuang ;-)

Let me know your thoughts on this. I don't want to take away from your ideas if you discovered this on your own, but your idea seems very similar to what Daniel and I use. Are you using only commutators? Or do you use whichever algorithm or formula is fastest?

Chris

 

[Hai Yan Zhuang]

It's nice to meet you too.
I mean chrise in BeiJing. He is from American,he is WCA delegate.
My formula is not the shortest but is the fastest. I mean I try my best to finish all my formula in 2 seconds.I can finish some formula in 0.7s.
I try every formula for each edge pair,and try to find the fastest formula .Normally I do not use commutators ,I use cube software to find the formula .But all my formula are in line with commutators.When I find a good formula I can add u(formula )u',or R(formula )R' to get another good formula ,it can make me get fastest speed. Actrually the commutators sometims have some limitations,it make some formula can not be executed quickly.

I leaned the basic idea form 'Cheng Hao'(China).He found freestyle in 2006.I add some of my idea to make BLD freestyle just like CFOP.Cheng Hao said I make it like CFOP. To make all the formula fastest but not the shortest.



I talked with 'Yu Hui Xu' ,a cuber ranked second in the world.I have told all my method to him.We think the multiBLD WR should be 40 or so.
And maybe someday he will give you a pleasantly surprised,to solve 20 or 25 cube during multiBLD competition. I think 'Yu Hui Xu' can do that .It is the things of time.Maybe it need 6 months but I think he can do that.

 

[Hai Yan Zhuang]

For me it's freestyle. Braindead freestyle but freestyle

You seems to use BH. Maybe, if you are bored to write all the formulas, you can just write down which one is different from chris's : http://www.speedcubing.com/chris/bhcorners.html and http://www.speedcubing.com/chris/bhedges.html

I think even no one formula same with chris.My formula is not the shortest but is the fastest. I mean I try my best to finish all my formula in 2 seconds.I can finish some formula in 0.7s.

 

[Mike Hughey]

Thanks so much for posting, Hai Yan. This makes me feel much better. I was feeling guilty before because I said you were using BH, and then I found out you were apparently using more ordinary freestyle instead. But now I see that you're using what I personally consider to be essentially BH anyway. As Chris says, technically, BH uses exclusively optimal commutators, but you use optimal algorithms for speed instead, so yours is a little different. So it really is freestyle. But it also means that when someone else came on this forum a while back and said you only know some small number of algorithms, they were incorrect - you really do know optimal speed algorithms for every case.

I'm trying to use a method very similar to yours now. I started on corners with pure BH, but now I'm trying to replace my move-optimal algorithms with speed-optimal algorithms, to speed up. I have a very long way to go to catch up to you, though - my personal best is 1:15.

It's really nice to know my current approach to BLD has the potential of getting as fast as you someday!

Your incredible BLD success is a real inspiration to me.

 

[Chuck]

I talked with 'Yu Hui Xu' ,a cuber ranked second in the world.I have told all my method to him.We think the multiBLD WR should be 40 or so. And maybe someday he will give you a pleasantly surprised,to solve 20 or 25 cube during multiBLD competition. I think 'Yu Hui Xu' can do that .It is the things of time.Maybe it need 6 months but I think he can do that.

Ah, so Yu Hui is capable of doing multi too? And you want to tell me that he can do better than Tong Jiang? Oh my God. That's very interesting!!!

This really makes me want to start practicing multi again.

Time to buy more cubes.

 

[blah]

China is the only place in the world where you can have a 44.88 for BLD and end up second in a competition

 

[deadalnix]

Most of the BH formulas are very fast. I doubt you can find faster for many of them. (anyway, lokking at your performance, maybe, but I assume many formulas are the same).

 

[KJiptner]

Haiyan, thank you for that interesting post! I already figured your method works like that, when seeing lucas' reconstruction of your WR. For the cornes I'm using a similar approach: I memorized all 376 solutions by heart, but it's about 60 basic algs applied from diffrent angles and with a D, D, D2 setup sometimes. I will definitely learn something like that for edges as well (using deadalnix advanced M2-concept).
I don't consider your method as 'freestyle', but that term is vague anyway. It came up when ville, rowe and others started to blindsolve using mostly commutators and no fixed buffer (like 3-cycle but without orienting).
About doing 40 cubes multi... Remember you have to memorize those cubes too. 40 cubes is like memorizing a 800 digit number...

 

[yoruichi]

look freestyle = 3 cycle
therefore haiyan uses freestyle
k thanks

 

[Hai Yan Zhuang]

Haiyan, thank you for that interesting post! I already figured your method works like that, when seeing lucas' reconstruction of your WR. For the cornes I'm using a similar approach: I memorized all 376 solutions by heart, but it's about 60 basic algs applied from diffrent angles and with a D, D, D2 setup sometimes. I will definitely learn something like that for edges as well (using deadalnix advanced M2-concept).
I don't consider your method as 'freestyle', but that term is vague anyway. It came up when ville, rowe and others started to blindsolve using mostly commutators and no fixed buffer (like 3-cycle but without orienting).
About doing 40 cubes multi... Remember you have to memorize those cubes too. 40 cubes is like memorizing a 800 digit number...

My insterest is memory now.I want to lean memory playing card in 30 second.
And by the way it can help multiBLD.
I think people can memory 1000 digit number in 30 minutes.so the WR should be 40 cubes.And I think if you want than you can do that.

 

[qqwref]

It's nice to meet you too.
I mean chrise in BeiJing. He is from American,he is WCA delegate.

Maybe you mean Chris Krueger?

 

[masterofthebass]

Just because you've practiced enough to know how to do every case, doesn't mean that you aren't doing freestyle. Anyone who's good enough at BLD knows how to do cases without have to think every time. I think it can be compared to f2l. Just because you worked out your solutions intuitively, and now can recall them as 'algorithms' every time you see the case, doesn't mean that you learned an algorithm for every case. You've just done it enough so that each case becomes an alg, instead of slowly figuring out what to do every solve.

 

[Anthony]

I talked with 'Yu Hui Xu' ,a cuber ranked second in the world.I have told all my method to him.We think the multiBLD WR should be 40 or so.

lolwut?

That's insane. 15 is a lot, 25 is way more, and 40 is ridiculous. I'm not saying that it can't be done, but that's like, unfathomable for me.

 

[Mike Hughey]

I talked with 'Yu Hui Xu' ,a cuber ranked second in the world.I have told all my method to him.We think the multiBLD WR should be 40 or so.

lolwut?

That's insane. 15 is a lot, 25 is way more, and 40 is ridiculous. I'm not saying that it can't be done, but that's like, unfathomable for me.

I think he's not far off. I think 40 will be a master performance, likely to take quite a few years for someone to get to, and will be very difficult to ever beat. But I suspect the limit is probably somewhere around there, yes.

I hope to get to 25 someday - I still think it's possible for me. And if I can get to 25 someday, I really think someone with talent can do 40.

Remember back when Rowe tried 8 cubes at the 2007 US Open and it seemed like an insane amount? (And that one was without the hour time limit!)

 

[blah]

40 = 1:30 per cube

 

[Chuck]

About doing 40 cubes multi... Remember you have to memorize those cubes too. 40 cubes is like memorizing a 800 digit number...

For me it's only 40 storybooks (with 400 characters doing 400 things ).

I hope to get to 25 someday - I still think it's possible for me.

Go for it, Mike! I know you can.

40 = 1:30 per cube

Yeah, speed is the main problem with 1 hour time limit.

Good luck to Yu Hui.