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Only an even number of cubie swaps is possible (1/2 of all states)
And... that's wrong. Counter-example: F2 U M' U2 M U F2 U'. There's just one swapped pair.The poster meant on a 3x3 there must be an even number of swapped pairs.
And... that's wrong. Counter-example: F2 U M' U2 M U F2 U'. There's just one swapped pair.The poster meant on a 3x3 there must be an even number of swapped pairs.
"Only an even number of edges can be flipped" is also bad as we're not told what "flipped edge" means. Same with his third rule and "corner twists".
Though thankfully he linked to Ryan's page which does it all properly.
This position is solvable only by an even number of cubie swaps.And... that's wrong. Counter-example: F2 U M' U2 M U F2 U'. There's just one swapped pair.The poster meant on a 3x3 there must be an even number of swapped pairs.
"Only an even number of edges can be flipped" is also bad as we're not told what "flipped edge" means. Same with his third rule and "corner twists".
What's with the constant need to be offensive??Though thankfully he linked to Ryan's page which does it all properly.
@Cride5, I agree that the word "pair" should not be needed. But I used the word to help unconfuse Sn3kyPandaMan.
You're correct. In the context of the law I wrote in the Wiki, we are counting a swap of exactly two pieces as a swap. A three cycle can be thought of as three pieces replacing each other in a particular direction (like musical chairs), but can also be conceptualised as two individual swaps. My response to Stefan above, describing the number of swaps in a U-perm illustrates how.I used the word "pair" to help clarify (I thought) that each swap should involve 2 pieces.
Correct.It looks to me like your U-perm with U' appended gives 1 swap of 2 edges but also a 4-cycle of corner pieces.
Wrong. I can also fix it with a U turn, that's two 4-cycles. And zero swaps, an even number.The 4-cycle can only be fixed by an odd number of swapped pairs.
Wrong. There's exactly one swapped pair, just like you yourself said two sentence ago.So the total number of swapped pairs would be even.
Let me provide a longer quote:I just re-read http://www.ryanheise.com/cube/cube_laws.html. The first sentence of the permutation section mentions even number of swaps. What did I say differently?
Oh and another thing missing on our wiki page that I just noticed:
"Only a 12th of possible cube states is reachable by twisting the 6 faces"
What are "cube states"? Again, see Ryan's page for proper treatment.
Nice suggestion, thank you. Added to the page..And to be constructive... I suggest to state the minimal effects that are impossible:
1. You can't just swap two pieces
2. You can't just flip one edge
3. You can't just rotate one corner
The page on the Wiki was not by any means intended to replace Ryan's explanation. I agree that a much fuller understanding of the laws can be gained by reading his page. The reason I put it in the Wiki was to make them easily accessible to anyone browsing our Wiki for information. In the same way the method pages rarely go into detail about the algs/substeps involved, the laws page does not go into huge detail about how the laws were derived etc. It is intended to be used as a quick reference only.That might suffice as a short version, giving people an idea of the "laws". For a proper understanding for people interested enough, I think Ryan got about as concise as possible.
I thought it was reasonable that other pieces should not be disturbed when attempting to fix the 4-cycle via swaps. A U-turn would have a side effect on how the edges need to be swapped, so my earlier note about swapping 2 edges would become invalid.by StephanWrong. I can also fix it with a U turn, that's two 4-cycles. And zero swaps, an even number.The 4-cycle can only be fixed by an odd number of swapped pairs.
Wrong. I can also fix it with a U turn, that's two 4-cycles. And zero swaps, an even number.The 4-cycle can only be fixed by an odd number of swapped pairs.
You just expressed this "context" for the very first time. And it's still wrong to say there must "be" an even number of swaps as that is more likely understood as "be" (on the cube) than as "be in a solution using only swaps by taking apart the cube", unless your "context" is explicitly mentioned.Stefan, the context of this conversation is about many cubie swaps are required to solve particular positions, assuming only swaps are used.
I think he meant "unsolved" as in for example a 4-cycle, where each piece is indeed not swapped with anything.I'm confused by this. Isn't a swap defined as one piece occupying the location of another, and vice versa? Therefore if you have a piece unsolved, it isn't "swapped" with anything? Help?Only an even number of cubie swaps is possible (1/2 of all states)
Newton could have described gravity by saying "dropped apples will always fall", and although this is certainly true it is a consequence of gravity. A proper description would describe the way in which objects' masses result in a force of attraction.You could just use Ryan's titles as the laws:
1. Only half of the permutations are reachable
2. Only half of the edge orientations are reachable
3. Only one third of the corner orientations are reachable
Less confusing, correct, and you wouldn't need your footnotes.
Speaking of the footnotes...
Only an even number of edges can be flipped (1/2 of all states) [1]
[1] Assuming ...
Let me use the same technique for another statement:
Edges cannot be flipped [1]
[1] Assuming you use only <U, D, L R, F2, B2>
Ok, I admit they're not so good as "laws" for our purpose here. On the top level, Ryan's page seems more concerned with the "1 in 12", so there they fit his purpose well. I still like "even permutations" better than "even number of swaps", though, but I guess the latter might be more useful for someone who doesn't know permutation parity yet.The statements you quoted are just consequences of the of the laws. They don't say which orientations/permutations are reachable.
Right, but my point was not the formatting but the "Assuming" (sorry I didn't make it clear). It's slightly better now, but it's still... so arbitrary. You make a statement and provide a context but it's not clear why you chose that particular context, and it's not clear whether the statement would still be true for other contexts. This is really bugging me.I know the footnotes are not desirable, but I put them there so that the laws stand out clear and concise.
Meh, I tried to come up with 3 laws that mimic Newtons laws of motion. As you can see, I failed.
1. A cube at rest will stay at rest until it is turned (Meh)
2. PLL = F2L + OLL (Bad)
3. For every 3 cycle, there is an equal and opposite 3 cycle. (I like this one)