Roux Colour Neutrality Theory

[miniGOINGS]

So, this has been done for Fridrich, but I was wondering, what are the average move counts for Roux if you are colour neutral.

First Block:
1. Fixed L and D colours
2. Fixed L colour, but neutral for D colour
3. Opposite colour neutral
4. Completly colour neutral

Second Block:
a. Matching blocks
b. Non-matching blocks

So there are 8 main ways that I can think of for building the first 2 blocks. I know that 1a has the highest average move count, and 4b has the lowest, but I was wondering the exact numbers, to see what the difference is, and everything in between.

Thanks guys.

 

[StachuK1992]

STOP MAKING ROUX THREADS!!!
IT'S CALLED USE WAFFLE'S THREAD LIKE WE ALWAYS DO!!!!

 

[miniGOINGS]

...but this is different, this is Puzzle Theory.

 

[Johannes91]

Optimal first block, in FTM:
1. 6.70
2. 6.04
3. Clarify what you mean.
4. 5.11

I think it would be more meaningful to look at the probability of getting an easy case (like at most 4 or 5 moves) because they are easy to spot, but you can't get near the optimal averages.

Dunno about second block.

Edit: And yes, this should've been in the existing thread.

 

[jms_gears1]

STOP MAKING ROUX THREADS!!!
IT'S CALLED USE WAFFLE'S THREAD LIKE WE ALWAYS DO!!!!

NOFREAINGWAY ANOTHER ROUX THREAD YOUR GONNA DIE YOU HORRIBLE PERSON AND ROT IN HADES FOR YOUR TERRIBLE HEINOUS CRIME.

OR

get over yourelves look at the amount of friedrich threads

 

[StachuK1992]

No. This is Roux. Everything Roux can stay in the threads that have already been made. Note the number of ZZ threads recently made, even the number or CFOP or Petrus threads.
VERY LITTLE.
And their users seem to be fine not creating threads every day...

 

[jms_gears1]

No. This is Roux. Everything Roux can stay in the threads that have already been made. Note the number of ZZ threads recently made, even the number or CFOP or Petrus threads.
VERY LITTLE.
And their users seem to be fine not creating threads every day...

but questions like this deserve their own thread just because they say roux or have roux in them doesnt deny them that right. stop freaking out why do you care if there are a lot of roux threads it hurts no one and may actually help.

the only thing tat hurts anyone is people like you posting posts like that to tell people they shouldnt have posted this thread.

 

[miniGOINGS]

Optimal first block, in FTM:
1. 6.70
2. 6.04
3. Clarify what you mean.
4. 5.11

I think it would be more meaningful to look at the probability of getting an easy case (like at most 4 or 5 moves) because they are easy to spot, but you can't get near the optimal averages.

Dunno about second block.

Edit: And yes, this should've been in the existing thread.

Thanks for the extremely fast reply . I was hoping to hear from you.

3 would be solving either (for example) a yellow block or a white block (on L) first. Kind of like a opposite colour neutral cross.

STOP MAKING ROUX THREADS!!!
IT'S CALLED USE WAFFLE'S THREAD LIKE WE ALWAYS DO!!!!

I have made 21 threads in total as of now. Only 3 of them were directly related to Roux, and only 1 was partially related to Roux. Four threads. Sue me.

 

[waffle=ijm]

guys Stachu has a point. These questions can be answered with a simple PM to Johannes.

 

[Johannes91]

3 would be solving either (for example) a yellow block or a white block (on L) first. Kind of like a opposite colour neutral cross.

That's still ambiguous. Is the D color fixed?

 

[waffle=ijm]

3 would be solving either (for example) a yellow block or a white block (on L) first. Kind of like a opposite colour neutral cross.

That's still ambiguous. Is the D color fixed?

no

 

[jms_gears1]

3 would be solving either (for example) a yellow block or a white block (on L) first. Kind of like a opposite colour neutral cross.

That's still ambiguous. Is the D color fixed?

there is a choice between two colors for the D layer so if normally youd be fixed with white you then could use white or yellow

 

[StachuK1992]

You guys can think that I'm 'hating on' you all you want, but the thing is that I'm not. I'm just tired of seeing threads that can be answered, like Jules said, with a simple PM to someone. This applies to both Roux-related threads and non-Roux-related threads alike.

 

[soccerking813]

What about just fixed D color, but any L color? And matching blocks.

 

[miniGOINGS]

3 would be solving either (for example) a yellow block or a white block (on L) first. Kind of like a opposite colour neutral cross.

That's still ambiguous. Is the D color fixed?

Umm, I never thought of that. I guess 3 would be fixed D colour, 4 would be D colour neutral, and 5 would be completely colour neutral.

Ok, so from now on, Roux related questions are asking in the "one question answer thread" or a PM to Waffle or Johannes.

 

[waffle=ijm]

What about just fixed D color, but any L color? And matching blocks.

I'm opposite neutral. Black or Yellow on D and F isn't fixed.

 

[jms_gears1]

You guys can think that I'm 'hating on' you all you want, but the thing is that I'm not. I'm just tired of seeing threads that can be answered, like Jules said, with a simple PM to someone. This applies to both Roux-related threads and non-Roux-related threads alike.

then why have a forum everything can be answered by a pm.

because then others can benefit from the info as well.

~sorry mini for halfway hijacking this

 

[miniGOINGS]

Ok, so there are too many different ways of building the first block to remember. I guess all I really needed was the first and last one, thanks.

~sorry mini for halfway hijacking this

Don't be. We are getting discussion, which is good. And there are some good points being said, now we can all learn.

 

[waffle=ijm]

Johannes91 had this a while back

 

[miniGOINGS]

So about 1.5-2 turns save?