Should I stick with Petrus?

[cheiney]

I'm currently averaging a 29.36 using Petrus with OLL/PLL. I only know the 2-Look OLL algorithms since I usually fix bad edges before actually moving onto OLL. Anyway, I've been kind of wanting to learn Fridrich. The only problem is that it's slowing me down a lot more than what I'd expect. The cross takes me like 4 seconds to execute and my lack of lookahead completely ruins my F2L. My last layer is pretty solid for a 2-look OLL/full PLL since I've been using that with Petrus. I did an average of five with Fridrich and I got something around a 35.4 second average.

I'm kind of indifferent about the two methods, but I feel like Petrus suits my thinking when solving more so than Fridrich does. I could possibly just make my 2x2x3 block and then place the last edge of the cross in to do a somewhat "2-slot extended cross", but that kind of takes the essence away. I never really plan on practicing to the point where I'd be sub-10, but I'd be fine with a goal of around sub-20 or sub-15 over time. Should I stick with Petrus or should I try to practice Fridrich some more?

 

[waffle=ijm]

both methods are good, but go for petrus since you already have a block building mindset. Or if you're completely indecisive, just learn another method. ROUX XD.

you'll eventually learn new ways to improve for either method.

 

[cheiney]

It seems like I could improve more things on Petrus than on Fridrich. With Fridrich I just need to work on my lookahead and trying to limit rotations. With Petrus, I could eventually take the LL and use MGLS or EJF2L later on, which from watching Sn3kyPandaMan's videos, looks pretty fast. But Petrus, I feel, would take much more work to improve. That's why I'm kind of stuck in this position.

 

[royzabeast]

Go with your gut. People are never totally stuck in the middle. What are you leaning towards?

 

[fanwuq]

I never understood the phrase "learning Fridrich." I was a Petrus noob almost 2 years ago and I sucked at block building and did not understand EO. That just naturally became Fridrich. What's there to learn? It seems like you need to turn faster during block building and reduce EO recognition time. If you must use Fridrich, it might suit you better to just use extended cross every time.

 

[cheiney]

I should've said that I wanted to try adapting to Fridrich. But, yeah I see where you're going, fanwuq. My block building is decent; I sometimes can get the 2x2x2 block right off the bat. But it's still a little difficult when I can't find a corner-edge pair.

 

[Johannes91]

I usually fix bad edges before actually moving onto OLL.

Usually? In Petrus it's done every time. It sounds like you're already using a Petrus/Fridrich hybrid.

 

[cheiney]

I usually fix bad edges before actually moving onto OLL.

Usually? In Petrus it's done every time. It sounds like you're already using a Petrus/Fridrich hybrid.

That is somewhat true. Whenever I just naturally get the last edge oriented correctly on the white face, depending on whether there's an easy insert, I may just go directly to inserting a corner-edge pair. This doesn't happen very often for me, though. That's why I said I usually just go straight into fixing bad edges.

 

[JLarsen]

It seems like I could improve more things on Petrus than on Fridrich. With Fridrich I just need to work on my lookahead and trying to limit rotations. With Petrus, I could eventually take the LL and use MGLS or EJF2L later on, which from watching Sn3kyPandaMan's videos, looks pretty fast. But Petrus, I feel, would take much more work to improve. That's why I'm kind of stuck in this position.

Awesome, I didn't think anyone watched my videos. In my opinion, yes, it is harder to get faster with Petrus. Improvement is slower, but in the end, it is so much more rewarding. I use Petrus because it is fun, and it is a challenge. I'm sure if I did Fridrich I could easily be sub 14 already by now, but then again, I probably would have never kept my interest enough in 3x3 speed to actually practice it and get as fast as I am, so in the end Petrus overall resulted in a faster time for me.

If you really care about your times, and you plan on sub 10 (like you said you didn't), go for Fridrich, but otherwise sub 20 with Petrus is definitely possible with a good effort. The key is really patience. Improvement with Petrus just kind of....comes to you. You don't typically intentionally slowly steadily improve, you just pick up the cube one day and BAM there's goes a second. I know this is how it works for me, ErikJ (captiancrash44 if you've never seen him), and I've even seen Lars Petrus himself make note of similar experiences on his site.

In the end of course I'd love to see a beginner actually rise and go all the way to sub 20 with petrus. I've yet to see it happen, only 5 people start and give up. It's kind of lame. It seems all the sub 20 Petrus people have been around a long time. It is up to you though, although my suggestion is of course, stick with Petrus.

-Josh

 

[ErikJ]

stick with Petrus.


read the sig

 

[JTW2007]

If you're debating over Petrus and Fridrich, but you think Petrus fits your thinking and style better, then maybe you should learn Roux. Roux still has the block-building freedom of Petrus, but it has almost the same speed potential as Fridrich.

 

[Paul Wagner]

Learn Roux, a lot of people I asked wish they learned Roux. It probably has the most potential for a 3x3 method.

 

[JTW2007]

It probably has the most potential for a 3x3 method.

Absolutely agreed. The minute I get back from Nationals, I'm switching.

 

[fanwuq]

If you're debating over Petrus and Fridrich, but you think Petrus fits your thinking and style better, then maybe you should learn Roux. Roux still has the block-building freedom of Petrus, but it has almost the same speed potential as Fridrich.

That makes no sense. Are you claiming that Roux is faster than Petrus?
I like the Roux first block and that's it. I like M-slice algs, but intuitive M-slice moves are way too slow for me. I would not recommend Roux unless you are obsessed with M slice moves. If you like slow start and fast RU moves for much of the solve, then use Petrus. If you like triggers and a few rotations, use Fridrich. If you like triggers and no rotations, use ZZ. I like to have a few rotations and also a series of fast movements so both Fridrich and Petrus fit my style and I prefer Petrus a bit more; I don't see how that makes Roux better.

 

[esquimalt1]

Both methods can achieve fast times, do whatever you want.

 

[Leviticus]

I would recommend sticking with Petrus. Not many people use it, well compared to Fridrich, and people are getting faster and faster with it, whilst Fridrich is leveling off kind of.

 

[ChaosWZ]

well i think you should switch from oll + pll, to coll + epll, epll is fewer algs and its faster and coll is fewer cases than oll 40 vs like 57 i think? otherwise stick with petrus, its a great method if you can blockbuild which i assume you can very well.

 

[cheiney]

well i think you should switch from oll + pll, to coll + epll, epll is fewer algs and its faster and coll is fewer cases than oll 40 vs like 57 i think? otherwise stick with petrus, its a great method if you can blockbuild which i assume you can very well.

I only need to know around 6 OLL algorithms and 21 PLL algorithms for Petrus. Is COLL+EPLL less than 27 algorithms? Even so, if I ever need to, I can always switch back and forth from Petrus and Fridrich depending on the inspection.

As for Roux, I never actually looked into that. I've heard from some people that Roux is extremely fast. The problem is that I'd have to relearn some new things whereas I already have a basis in Petrus. I'm going to look into it, though.

 

[Lord Voldemort]

COLL + EPLL is 44 algorithms.
I found Roux to be a really fun method, because it seems like there's no restrictions on what to do and it's a little easier than Petrus. You probably won't need to learn very much new stuff, because you should be fairly good a block building if you were using Petrus. Note that I'm not an expert at either Petrus or Roux, I've just used them a little and read about them. I use Fridrich, and I can safely say that you should go Roux over Fridrich for sure since it's so fun to use for me.

 

[JLarsen]

COLL + EPLL is 44 algorithms.
I found Roux to be a really fun method, because it seems like there's no restrictions on what to do and it's a little easier than Petrus. You probably won't need to learn very much new stuff, because you should be fairly good a block building if you were using Petrus. Note that I'm not an expert at either Petrus or Roux, I've just used them a little and read about them. I use Fridrich, and I can safely say that you should go Roux over Fridrich for sure since it's so fun to use for me.

He is right COLL + EPLL = more algs than OLL+PLL. The "it's faster" argument is also debatable.