how to pronounce "fridrich"??

the german student in me tells me to do everything possibly to avoid saying ICK at the end, because "ich" doesn't normally sound that way when spoken by a german. i imagine the ch to be like the "ch" in ma(umlaut)dchen. that's useless for everyone that doesn't speak german, but the "ch" sound doesn't exist in english that way, and is totally different to the "ch" in cheese, for instance. i guess the fridriCH is a softer sound coming from further back in the mouth?

as for roux, it's roo, no x please. roll the r a bit if you can, and you're away :P that's a throat sort of roll, as opposed to a tongue one...

petrus, i have no idea if how i say it is correct, pet-russ?
 
I will try to explain her right pronounciation. It will be difficult for you american-speaking people because you dont have as accent of "r" and "ch" as czech people do. Also "f" is a slightly different in czech.

F - like fantastic
R - like (harder) rabbit
I - like invent
D - like diagnose
CH - hardest think. it is like ich in german but I think some german people say "ish" instead of "ich"... Maybe its like softer "g" in dutch - at least in name Galen...

I hope it is clearly now.
 
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Fridrich said:
Well, the correct Czech pronunciation is fridrich with a "ch" sound at the end (Dutch and Czechs have this sound and it is rather difficult to reproduce by English-speaking folks).

.. unless you live in a Scottish broch by the loch :)

Is the scottish pronunciation of "broch" identical with the pronunciation here:
Webster Dictionary with PRONUNCIATION and Sound?

If you mean this (under the heading: Rhyming with "Loch") then no. This is the way its pronounced in England. In Scotland we pronounce it like this:
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Fridrich said:
Well, the correct Czech pronunciation is fridrich with a "ch" sound at the end (Dutch and Czechs have this sound and it is rather difficult to reproduce by English-speaking folks).

.. unless you live in a Scottish broch by the loch :)

Is the scottish pronunciation of "broch" identical with the pronunciation here:
Webster Dictionary with PRONUNCIATION and Sound?

If you mean this (under the heading: Rhyming with "Loch") then no. This is the way its pronounced in England. In Scotland we pronounce it like this:
.

Why not listen to the pronunciation of "broch" in "Webster Dictionary with PRONUNCIATION and Sound" and answer "yes" or "no"?
 
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Why not listen to the pronunciation of "broch" in "Webster Dictionary with PRONUNCIATION and Sound" and answer "yes" or "no"?

Soz, read loch when you meant broch! Do you mean this? Kinda close but don't think the synthetic voice quite does it justice. The pronunciation of 'loch' in the vid is better.
 
I will try to explain her right pronounciation. It will be difficult for you american-speaking people because you dont have as accent of "r" and "ch" as czech people do. Also "f" is a slightly different in czech.

F - like fantastic
R - like (harder) rabbit
I - like invent
D - like diagnose
CH - hardest think. it is like ich in german but I think some german people say "ish" instead of "ich"... Maybe its like softer "g" in dutch - at least in name Galen...

I hope it is clearly now.
I'm still not understanding this. I get the 'ch' sound at the end. Are the i's still pronounced as Fred or Frid?
 
Why not listen to the pronunciation of "broch" in "Webster Dictionary with PRONUNCIATION and Sound" and answer "yes" or "no"?

Soz, read loch when you meant broch! Do you mean this? Kinda close but don't think the synthetic voice quite does it justice. The pronunciation of 'loch' in the vid is better.

I meant, of course, the Webster dictionary, but never mind. And how would you characterize that pronunciation in respect to this:
[ʃ] voiceless palato-alveolar sibilant (domed, partially palatalized), as in English sharp.
 
I'm a nerd and am about to go overboard here, but I love phonetics like you all love cubing (not that I don't, I just love phonetics more). I hope that with this brief explanation you all can get a sense of accomplishment when you start pronouncing her name right and can end this silly argument that makes me want to vomit sometimes... :fp So here in wonderfully simple IPA is a transcription of her name as it ought to be pronounced with a description of each sound that follows:

['jɛsɪka 'fr̝̊ɪdr̝ɪx]

['jɛsɪka]

' - Stress falls on this syllable.

/j/ - Voiced palatal plosive. Like English "j" in "jump" but is a little farther back and it moves to the vowel quicker.

/ɛ/ - Open-mid front unrounded vowel. "Open e" as it is sometimes called like English "left".

/s/ - Voiceless alveolar sibilant fricative. Just your standard English "s" like in "sticker".

/ɪ/ - Near-close near-front unrounded vowel. Like "i" in English "hit".

/k/ - Voiceless velar plosive. Just like English "k" (or "c" before anything but "i" or "e") in "kick".

['fr̝̊ɪdr̝ɪx]

' - Again, denotes stress.

/f/ - Voiceless labiodental fricative. Like English "f" in "front".

/r̝̊/ - Voiceless raised alveolar non-sonorant trill. Like a trilled "r" (Spanish "perro") without engaging the voice in the sound and with frication (like an s-ish sound along with the trilling).

/ɪ/ - Like /ɪ/ above.

/d/ - Voiced alveolar plosive. Like English "d" in "down".

/r̝/ - Voiced raised alveolar non-sonorant trill. Different from the previous "r" in that it is voiced so it is the trilled "r" with voice and with the sound of a "z" along with it.

/ɪ/ - Like /ɪ/ above.

/x/ - Voiceless velar fricative. At the same place you make the sound for "k" in English make an "h"-ish sound. Like the composer "Bach" or Scottish "Loch" or Spanish "jota".


Now for those of you that want something you can pronounce, I offer you a simplified version of what I just said because I really doubt you just read that...

"Jessica" is pretty easy I'm supposing so I won't need to go into that.

"Fridrich" poses problems with the "r", the "i" and the "ch".

The "r" would be suitably trilled or even flipped if you want, just avoid the retroflex "rrr" sound we use in English.

The first "i" is, undoubtedly, just like "sit" or "mitten" or any other case that sounds like that; it's not like "get" nor like "sheep".

The second "i" is the exact same.

The "ch" is simply an "h"-like sound with your tongue pulled up in the back where you make the sound for a "k". it's not nasty sounding like some with say "Bach", but rather can sound quite beautiful if you say it right.

A spelled out pronunciation like what you can see on dictionary.com may be something like this:

Jes-si-kuh Frid-rikh

I hope I have enlightened some and not confused too many with my explanation today. If there are any questions about anything related to pronunciation of anything, feel free to ask. I love it with a passion.

- DD

Wow you really do love phonetics. I mean I had a hard time understanding the beginning (I'm not very smart), but that was imformative. Plus it must have took forever to type up xD Nice job. :)
 
Yup, it certainly is my passion. And, sadly, it took more time out of my sleep than I'm readily willing to admit...
 
I understood the name to be of Czech origin. It all rests on that. If it's not Czech then, by all means, it could be palatal. but if it is Czech, then I would be fairly certain that that is the technical pronunciation if not the way that she now pronounces it after having come to America. As a linguist, I don't speak many other languages, I just study them and can describe their characteristics.

So, in this case, the truth is that it all depends on what she says it is, but then again native speakers are rarely reliable sources of linguistic information about their language. She was asked and provided a rather ambiguous answer that isn't specific enough for me, so I thought I'd try to be a little deeper with it. I hope it is Czech though. My whole post is ruined if it's not.
 
['fr̝̊ɪdr̝ɪx]
/x/ - Voiceless velar fricative. At the same place you make the sound for "k" in English make an "h"-ish sound. Like the composer "Bach" or Scottish "Loch" or Spanish "jota".
Really? Are you sure it's not the voiceless palatal fricative [ç]?

Fricative f v s z ʃ ʒ x (ɣ) (h) (x is a velar)
/x/ is represented by digraph ch
 
I hate to revive this dreadfully old thread, but I simply had to know and I bet others feel the same. Go to the website and hit the play button.

http://www.forvo.com/word/fridrich/

I think this fits most with what Jessica herself stated and with what Drizzit said. And shouldn't DrizzitDudden be DrizztDo'Urden (maybe without the apostrophe if they aren't allowed in usernames)?
 
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