This angers me...a ton....

[Thieflordz5]

Oh, Michael:

You talked early about differences in times and how the public views times differently than speedcubers. What about how they view speedstacker times?

I don't know... The public just realizes that it's easier than impossible, and they think that there's some kind of mathematical "formula" to it and if you know it, you can solve it sub-15 or something...

This is the ignorance I'm talking about. They think we're doing something similar to group theory at 12 tps. Truth is, half the solve we're just spamming algs that we have memorized and done thousands of times.

No, what I mean is that they think that we're just using something like God's Alg on different sides to solve everything, they don't know that we actually have to think during a solve (at least 100 times more than speed-stacks) where Speed-stacks are just muscle memory, stack up, stack down...
If solving were muscle memory (the type that speed-stacks is) then spamming something like RUR' would solve (which is really stupid...)

 

[waffle=ijm]

magic takes so little time thats there's no point in removing it. even though its just repetition, it shows who dexterous some people are. isn't that the same as solving the cube? You repeat algorithms and solve as fast as you can. yeah magic takes no brain but neither does the cube after a while.

 

[qqwref]

No, what I mean is that they think that we're just using something like God's Alg on different sides to solve everything, they don't know that we actually have to think during a solve (at least 100 times more than speed-stacks) where Speed-stacks are just muscle memory, stack up, stack down...
If solving were muscle memory (the type that speed-stacks is) then spamming something like RUR' would solve (which is really stupid...)

I agree - I think when a lot of people (who have NOT solved a cube before) look at a fast solver, they think he just knows what to do at the start, so it's just "execute the moves as fast as they can". You have to try cubing out yourself to realize that the fastest cubers are not just spamming moves, but that they actually have to figure out where the pieces are and remember what to do with them as they go.

 

[Poke]

Ahhh.... Memories. I remember when I got "1 side" when I was about 8.

 

[shelley]

magic takes so little time thats there's no point in removing it. even though its just repetition, it shows who dexterous some people are. isn't that the same as solving the cube? You repeat algorithms and solve as fast as you can. yeah magic takes no brain but neither does the cube after a while.

Why not have a competition for who can do the T perm the fastest? It's pretty much the same thing.

Magic doesn't take long, but it still does take time. At large competitions, a short amount of time multiplied by a large number of people ends up being a considerable amount of time and occupied timers. And at certain competitions when we run so short on time that we have to make big cube cutoffs ridiculous (1:10 on 4x4 in order to complete an average?) I don't think you can make the argument of "well, it takes so little time, might as well leave it in."

Maybe we should just add a bunch of silly little events involving things that are not puzzles. If people have fun with them and they don't take much time, might as well, right?

 

[waffle=ijm]

magic takes so little time thats there's no point in removing it. even though its just repetition, it shows who dexterous some people are. isn't that the same as solving the cube? You repeat algorithms and solve as fast as you can. yeah magic takes no brain but neither does the cube after a while.

Why not have a competition for who can do the T perm the fastest? It's pretty much the same thing.

Magic doesn't take long, but it still does take time. At large competitions, a short amount of time multiplied by a large number of people ends up being a considerable amount of time and occupied timers. And at certain competitions when we run so short on time that we have to make big cube cutoffs ridiculous (1:10 on 4x4 in order to complete an average?) I don't think you can make the argument of "well, it takes so little time, might as well leave it in."

Well, I agree with ridiculous cutoff times. The only reason I tried to make an argument is that I like magic. If you feel the removal of it as a side event is needed, then I won't argue anymore. I just thought I'd throw that in there as my own opinion and nothing else.

 

[qqwref]

Why not have a competition for who can do the T perm the fastest? It's pretty much the same thing.

Hey, that's a good idea.

More seriously, if you think Magic takes up too much time, just don't do it... I mean, if it's a big competition like SFO09 or Nationals, it still doesn't mean you have to hold Magic, especially if it would seriously cut into the time for real events. You can always treat it like it's not an event (just like we do with 3feet, in most of America), without forcing everyone else in the world to not do it.