FTO example solve game!

Renslay said:
Next: R' B R' L B' R' L B BR' D' BR' R L' BR' R L' R BR' R U BR' B' BL B BL
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 Setup 
R' B R' L B' R' L B BR' D' BR' R L' BR' R L' R BR' R U BR' B' BL B BL
 Moves 
BL B' L BL L BR' f // white
R F' U' R' F // 2 triples
R BL' F' BL' U R' U R' U // green
r' U R' U' R U' r' R U R' U r U' R' U R r' U // centers
T' U' u' L' R' L R u // LBT
R' L R L' Uv // pair formation
U Fv R F R' B R F' R B' R // TCP

There is a direct alg after LBT: Uv' Fv R' U B' L R' L' R B U' R

NEXT ➡️ D' B' L D' L R L D' L' BR' R' BR R' BR B D R L BR' D' R B U' B F' BR' D' U' B
 
Pyjam said:
NEXT ➡️ D' B' L D' L R L D' L' BR' R' BR R' BR B D R L BR' D' R B U' B F' BR' D' U' B
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I think I'm gonna introduce the T vs t notation (I'm not sure what is the official name). T means triplet, t means triangle. So after center I insert Ts, but my last step is L3t (last 3 triangles). I hope with that I can avoid confusion.

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 Setup 
D' B' L D' L R L D' L' BR' R' BR R' BR B D R L BR' D' R B U' B F' BR' D' U' B
 Moves 
D f U R' D' // white center
U R r BR' // T#1
F R U R' U' R' r' F' // T#2
R' U' R' U' r' U R' U R U 2R U r // green center
r U' R' U R U r' U' R U R' U R U' 2R U' r' U // L2C
T' B L' B' L U' B L' B' L U D B' R' B R D' // T#3
U' B L' B' L U L' B L B' // LL
T' br U BR' U' 2BR' U BR U' BR' // L3t


Next: R B D R' D' F' D F' R L R F D F D B' R L BL' F D R BL B
 
Renslay said:
I think I'm gonna introduce the T vs t notation (I'm not sure what is the official name). T means triplet, t means triangle. So after center I insert Ts, but my last step is L3t (last 3 triangles). I hope with that I can avoid confusion.
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I had the same thought yesterday, t and T.
If I understand correctly, you learned from Ben’s videos, which are now outdated for the final step. It’s recommended to follow Chris Choi’s video on 2-look TCP, which is the new beginner’s version of the Bencisco method.
See the end of this video.

 
Renslay said:
Next: R B D R' D' F' D F' R L R F D F D B' R L BL' F D R BL B
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 Setup 
R B D R' D' F' D F' R L R F D F D B' R L BL' F D R BL B
 Moves 
T Lv D' l' F' R' F U' T' // white
R' U Rv' U' 2R U' // 2 triples
BLv' BL' U R' U' R U' r U R // grey
r U' 2R' U' R' U' r U R' U' R U r U // centers
T' 2R B' R B r' // LBT
U R' L R L' d R' L R L' U' // pair formation
L' B L B' U' // TCP


NEXT ➡️ B R D' R L B' R' BR' D B' D BR B' L R BR D B' L R' U BR' BL' U' R BR' F'
 
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Pyjam said:
I had the same thought yesterday, t and T.
If I understand correctly, you learned from Ben’s videos, which are now outdated for the final step. It’s recommended to follow Chris Choi’s video on 2-look TCP, which is the new beginner’s version of the Bencisco method.
See the end of this video.

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Uhm... Unless I misunderstand something, this is exactly what I'm doing: making triplet pairs by matching non-yellow stickers, then solve the last layer (minus 3 little triangles), then solve the last 3 triangles (3 cases here total). There is no mention of 2-look TCP. And if I recall well, this video is exactly where I learned to solve FTO in the first place. Didn't you want to insert a different video?
 
No, you're right.
So all you have to do now for shorter solves is learn 1-look TCP (18 cases) and the keyhole technique for the LBT step.
 
Pyjam said:
NEXT ➡️ B R D' R L B' R' BR' D B' D BR B' L R BR D B' L R' U BR' BL' U' R BR' F'
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I tried TCP. What do you think?

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 Setup 
B R D' R L B' R' BR' D B' D BR B' L R BR D B' L R' U BR' BL' U' R BR' F'
 Moves 
Uv Lv'
u' R' u U BR' R' U B //white center
BL F' R U' R U R r BR' // white triplets
R' U' 2R U 2R' U' r // green center
R U' 2R U' 2R' U R' U R U' R' U' R U 2R U' r' U // L2C
T' B L' B' L U D B' R' B R D' // LBT
B L' B' L U R B' R' B U' // pairs
T U D' F U' F' D T' R B' R' B U' // TCP


Next: R' B D R' L B L R' BR B' R BR D' B L' R' B' BR' R' L' BR' BL U R' BL' BR U' BL'
 
Renslay said:
Next: R' B D R' L B L R' BR B' R BR D' B L' R' B' BR' R' L' BR' BL U R' BL' BR U' BL'
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 Setup 
R' B D R' L B L R' BR B' R BR D' B L' R' B' BR' R' L' BR' BL U R' BL' BR U' BL'
 Moves 
u R' F' D R' // white
r' F U' Uv R F bl U Rv' // 2 triples
U R U R' r U r U R r U // orange centers
r U R U r' U 2R U' R // green/grey centers
U r F' U F // all centers
2R' T' r' L' R L 2R 2U // LBT
// Done 🙂


NEXT ➡️ R D' B L' D L B' U' R' U L B R U' L R' U' B L' U' BR BL' D BR' D F'

@Renslay There's nothing to say. It's the good alg.
 
Pyjam said:
NEXT ➡️ R D' B L' D L B' U' R' U L B R U' L R' U' B L' U' BR BL' D BR' D F'

@Renslay There's nothing to say. It's the good alg.
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 Setup 
R D' B L' D L B' U' R' U L B R U' L R' U' B L' U' BR BL' D BR' D F'
 Moves 
T
U L' d R BR R BR L' U T' Uv // white center
F' R BR R' U R' U Rv // F2T
U' R U R' U R' r' U 2R U r // green center
R U R' U 2R U' R U' r' U' R U R' U' R U 2R U r' U // L2C
T' B L' B' L U' R B' R' B U' D L R L' R' D' // LT
L R' L' R // pairing
T' F' D' F U' F' D F' U F' L' // TCP


Next: L' R L D' B D' B L BR' R' L' B D BR D' R' B' BR D R' BL' BR' BL U' BL' BR' D'
 
Renslay said:
L' R L D' B D' B L BR' R' L' B D BR D' R' B' BR D R' BL' BR' BL U' BL' BR' D'
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 Setup 
L' R L D' B D' B L BR' R' L' B D BR D' R' B' BR D R' BL' BR' BL U' BL' BR' D'
 Moves 
L' Uv F' U' B L' BR f' // white
R U R' r U' BL' U // 2 triples
BL' U R' U' r U' 2R' U R' U // orange
r' R' U R U r' R U R' U' R U' R' U' r U T' // green/grey
U' L' R' L R D' // LBT
R' L R L' U' L R' L' R U' // pair formation
R' L R L' // TCP


NEXT ➡️ D R' B R' D R' L' D' F' L' F R' D L B F L' D F D B BL' U' F' L BL' U
 
Pyjam said:
NEXT ➡️ D R' B R' D R' L' D' F' L' F R' D L B F L' D F D B BL' U' F' L BL' U
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 Setup 
D R' B R' D R' L' D' F' L' F R' D L B F L' D F D B BL' U' F' L BL' U
 Moves 
Fv'
L' D' R' B' R U B' U' B // w center
U R BR R BL' F // w T1
BR U R U BR 2R BR // w T2
U R' U r U' R U r U 2R' U R // g center
r U r' U' 2R U' 2R' U R U R' r U' r' U' // L2C
T' U' B L' B' L U' D' R B R' B' D // w T3
B L' B' L U L R' L' R // L3T pairing
Uv' U T' F' D' F U' F' D' F' U F D' F // L3T


Next: R D R L' B R' D BR R' BR' B BR' B D' BR D BR' B L BR BL L' F' L BR F
 
Renslay said:
R D R L' B R' D BR R' BR' B BR' B D' BR D BR' B L BR BL L' F' L BR F
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 Setup 
R D R L' B R' D BR R' BR' B BR' B D' BR D BR' B L BR BL L' F' L BR F
 Moves 
Uv F BR R f' F' R // white
Bv R' U R r F // triple 1
R BL U' R' r U' // triple 2
BL' R U' r U' R' U R U // green
R' U R r U R // grey/orange
U r' U r' F' U' F // all centers oriented
T' U' F R B' R' B F' 2U // LBT
R B' R' B U // pair formation
T Rv' F' U' 2F' U' F U 2F U R // TCP


NEXT ➡️ R' B D' B L B L R' BL' B' D' BL' B' BL L R B' R L BL BR' U BL B' D' R'
 
Pyjam said:
NEXT ➡️ R' B D' B L B L R' BL' B' D' BL' B' BL L R B' R L BL BR' U BL B' D' R'
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I felt this fairly easy.

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 Setup 
R' B D' B L B L R' BL' B' D' BL' B' BL L R B' R L BL BR' U BL B' D' R'
 Moves 
Uv'
R' u U R B // w center
F' bl BR' R' U 2R' F // w triplets
U' r' U' 2R U r U' R U' R' U' 2R' U' r // g center
U 2R U R U r' U' R U' R' U R U' R' U' // L2C
T' B L B' L' U' B L B' L' // LBT
L R' L' R U' // pairing
T U D' F U' F' D T' R B' R' B U' // TCP


Next: D' L D' B' R D' B' D' BR' R BR' B' L' D L' D BR' R D L BR F' L U' F BL BR
 
Renslay said:
D' L D' B' R D' B' D' BR' R BR' B' L' D L' D BR' R D L BR F' L U' F BL BR
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 Setup 
D' L D' B' R D' B' D' BR' R BR' B' L' D L' D BR' R D L BR F' L U' F BL BR
 Moves 
Lv 2U R' L' // white
BL' F' R' F BLv R' U' 2R U' // 2 triples
BLv' U' R r U r U' R U' R // green
U' 2R U R U r' U' R U' R' U R U' R' // grey/orange
U r U r U T' // all centers
Uv' R U L R' L' R U' R' // LBT
U Uv R' L R L' // corner permutation
B' R' F R' B R F' R U' // TCP


NEXT ➡️ L' D' B L R D L' F' R' L' F' L F L' D' B' F' R L D' BR B' L BR BL' U'
 
Pyjam said:
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D' L D' B' R D' B' D' BR' R BR' B' L' D L' D BR' R D L BR F' L U' F BL BR
 Moves 
Lv 2U R' L' // white
BL' F' R' F BLv R' U' 2R U' // 2 triples
BLv' U' R r U r U' R U' R // green
U' 2R U R U r' U' R U' R' U R U' R' // grey/orange
U r U r U T' // all centers
Uv' R U L R' L' R U' R' // LBT
U Uv R' L R L' // corner permutation
B' R' F R' B R F' R U' // TCP


NEXT ➡️ L' D' B L R D L' F' R' L' F' L F L' D' B' F' R L D' BR B' L BR BL' U'
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If I may ask, after LBT, why did you finish with this?
U Uv R' L R L' // corner permutation
B' R' F R' B R F' R U' // TCP

It seems to me that you broke the last part into two parts, while they can be solved in one step, with one TCP alg:
U T U F' U' F' D' F U F' D F U' F R' // TCP

Although they essentially might be the same. Still, I was under the impression you know all the TCP algs.
Sorry if I'm mistaken, I'm just generally curious.
 
Renslay said:
It seems to me that you broke the last part into two parts, while they can be solved in one step, with one TCP alg:
U T U F' U' F' D' F U F' D F U' F R' // TCP

Although they essentially might be the same. Still, I was under the impression you know all the TCP algs.
Sorry if I'm mistaken, I'm just generally curious.
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This is a bad case where the corners must cycle in one direction and the triangles in the other. You can avoid this case when forming the second pair by forcing the corners to be solved (or the triangles, if the corners are already solved), but in this example, I ended up with this case right after LBT.
The algorithm is long (12 moves) and IMHO unnecessary, since you might as well solve the corners in 4 moves and then follow up with the triangle-solving algorithm in 8 moves. I don’t think the algorithm is any better. The same goes for the symmetric case.
 
Pyjam said:
NEXT ➡️ L' D' B L R D L' F' R' L' F' L F L' D' B' F' R L D' BR B' L BR BL' U'
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 Setup 
L' D' B L R D L' F' R' L' F' L F L' D' B' F' R L D' BR B' L BR BL' U'
 Moves 
BR' R BR R' r L // w center
BR' R' r' BR' U' R' U R' U' 2R' F // F2T
U r' U' R U r U r U' R' U' R U' 2R U' r // g center
U 2R U' R U' r' U' R U R' U' R U R' U' // L2C
T' R' L' R L U R B' R' B U L R' L' R U' B L B' L' // LBT
R B' R' B U R B' R' B U // pairing
Uv' T' U' f U F' U' f' F' U F' // TCP


This was one of the worst LBT... I really should learn some techniques here. Any advice?

Next: B D R' D' R D' B U B U B U' R D B R B U R' U' BL L' F U B U'
 
Renslay said:
This was one of the worst LBT... I really should learn some techniques here. Any advice?
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It’s an horrible case. Either you avoid finishing with the white corner in the slot, with maneuvers like this:

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 Setup 
L' D' B L R D L' F' R' L' F' L F L' D' B' F' R L D' BR B' L BR BL' U'
 Moves 
BR' R BR R' r L // w center
BR' R' r' BR' U' R' U R' U' 2R' F // F2T
U r' U' R U r U r U' R' U' R U' 2R U' r // g center
U 2R U' R U' r' U' R U R' U' R U R'
T' L R' L R


Or you try to solve one triangle while you put the corner out of the slot and you finish with a keyhole technique, or if not possible, you may use an anti-keyhole technique, like this:

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 Setup 
L' D' B L R D L' F' R' L' F' L F L' D' B' F' R L D' BR B' L BR BL' U'
 Moves 
BR' R BR R' r L // w center
BR' R' r' BR' U' R' U R' U' 2R' F // F2T
U r' U' R U r U r U' R' U' R U' 2R U' r // g center
U 2R U' R U' r' U' R U R' U' R U R' U' // L2C
T' U' L' R' L R // insert a blue triangle on the purple side 
Uv' U // form a purple pair
R U' R' L R L' U R' // anti-keyhole case, insert the purple pair
 
Renslay said:
Next: B D R' D' R D' B U B U B U' R D B R B U R' U' BL L' F U B U'
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 Setup 
B D R' D' R D' B U B U B U' R D B R B U R' U' BL L' F U B U'
 Moves 
r Uv R' U R' U' R Lv' // white
F' R F' R' BR' R' r' F' // 2 triples
U r' U' R U r' U' R' U' R U' R' // orange
U' r' U' R U' R' U R U R' U r U' T' // centers
u L' U L R' L' R U' L D' // LBT with antikeyhole
L R' L' R U // pair formation, solving the corner permutation
B' R' F R' B R F' R U' // TCP (clockwise triangles)


NEXT ➡️ D' B D L' R B D' BL' D BL' D' L B L' R' B' BL' D BL' L' F BL F L' U B' BL'
 
Pyjam said:
NEXT ➡️ D' B D L' R B D' BL' D BL' D' L B L' R' B' BL' D BL' L' F BL F L' U B' BL'
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 Setup 
D' B D L' R B D' BL' D BL' D' L B L' R' B' BL' D BL' L' F BL F L' U B' BL'
 Moves 
F' u U' BR' 2R B' // w center
R U' 2R U BL U r' R' U' BLv // F2T
R U r U' 2R' U r' R' U 2R' U' 2R' U r // g center
2R U R U' r' U R U R' U R U' 2R U' r' U' // L2C
T' B L' B' L U L R' L' R U' B L B' L' // LBT
B L' B' L U // pairing
Uv T' U' f U F' U' f' F' U F' L' // TCP


Next: D B' R D' B L' D' B' F D' F D R B D L F L F U R BL' D' L' U BR
 
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