Plls to learn first

[crosman boy]

Is ther a order i should learn my plls in? like J,A,l etc.

 

[byu]

U, A, Z, H, E for 2 look

Then J, R, and then whatever order you want, but I'd save the Ns and Gs for last.

That's how I learned at least.

 

[kajitatsu]

U, A, Z, H, E for 2 look

Then J, R, and then whatever order you want, but I'd save the Ns and Gs for last.

That's how I learned at least.

Good order but Z perm could be dealt with as two3 cycles, regardless of direction.

 

[byu]

U, A, Z, H, E for 2 look

Then J, R, and then whatever order you want, but I'd save the Ns and Gs for last.

That's how I learned at least.

Good order but Z perm could be dealt with as two3 cycles, regardless of direction.

That's why you learn U first. Once you know U and A, you can solve any 3x3 LL case. Z and H are faster for EPLL, and E makes CPLL faster.

Then of course J and R because I think they are the easiest of the other PLLs, and then a lot of the other ones, probably T and Y next actually, those are easy, and the rest, and then of course leave Ns and Gs for last because I think they are the hardest.

 

[(X)]

Why should he learn A for 2-look he can learn T or J they are fasster, atleast for me

 

[Escher]

I'm going to be daring, but i'm gonna say learn the G's first, get them out of the way. Nobody does that, and they are a common PLL type. Once you know one, you can actually work out the rest at the same time (mirror, inverse, inverse mirror). Thats 3 PLLs essentially for free! Recognition looks far harder from the diagrams than it actually is - put the two same coloured corner stickers on your left, and look to see where the block that is 'solved' is, either on FR, RF, RB or BR.

Beyond that, I'd learn in 'classes' of PLLs, because then you know from a glance exactly what you do and dont know. i.e. the EPLLs first (H, Us, Z), then CPLLs (As, E), then 'adjacent corner swap' PLLs (T, R, Js, F), then 'opposite corner swap' (V, Y, and finally Ns).

Also, if you dont feel like learning all 21 now, there are a couple of 'shortcuts' you can use. For example, if you do R U R' U, then perform a J perm, and then undo those set up moves, you perform one of the N perms. You can get two 'difficult' PLLs for free that way.
You can also 'mirror' algorithms - for a long time, I couldn't be bothered to learn the other A perm, so I just did it left handed (I still sometimes do this with the L (J) perm).
Learning to perform algorithms backwards is useful too - especially once you eventually reach learning the OLLs. Again, you are getting algorithms 'for free' this way.
(The Y perm is just two OLLs in a row btw - work out which ones these are and you just learnt an extra 2 OLL algs for free)

I hope this helps a bit, it might be a little too much at this point, and I'm sure others will disagree with me on some things - its best not to just take one persons advice.
Anyway, try and get as many algs for free as you can, is essentially what I mean. Learning them actively will help with picking up others later (like doing them backwards, splitting them up into fingertricks, doing them with your LH, doing them backwards, playing around with different endings). Play around with the cube - many algorithms are just taking a pair out, messing around with it, and putting it back in a different way.
Once you pick up a few algs, the rest will come very easily.
Good luck!


EDIT
The reason why I argue that Gs should come first is because they are so common, and because they can all be learned at once quite easily. They are relatively simple to understand in terms of recognition and execution (i.e. if the block is on the front or back, start with R2, and turn 'towards' the block with the Uw/U'w, and if its on the side, take the pair out underneath it, etc etc).
Learning in those classes of PLLs (in that order) actually completes two look PLL, then learning them as 'adjacent' or 'opposite' corner swaps won't be too alien from beginner method LLs (at least, the one from ryan heise).

 

[kajitatsu]

U, A, Z, H, E for 2 look

Then J, R, and then whatever order you want, but I'd save the Ns and Gs for last.

That's how I learned at least.

Good order but Z perm could be dealt with as two3 cycles, regardless of direction.

That's why you learn U first. Once you know U and A, you can solve any 3x3 LL case. Z and H are faster for EPLL, and E makes CPLL faster.

Then of course J and R because I think they are the easiest of the other PLLs, and then a lot of the other ones, probably T and Y next actually, those are easy, and the rest, and then of course leave Ns and Gs for last because I think they are the hardest.

Yea, I agree, I probably think Z is harder to learn than H but must be bias on my part, sorry.

 

[byu]

You're probably right, I think H is easier. I just said Z first since it comes up 2 times more than H perm (I think)

 

[luke1984]

I agree with Escher, a Top-Down approach is more effective, for me at least, than a Bottom-Up approach. Start with the harder/more complex PLL's and go from there. That's what I'm doing.

 

[Nilxchaos]

I agree with the G's and N's first.
I learned them about a week ago and still cannot recognize them, but the T perm (one of my first) and J perm is extremely easy to recognize for me.
Go top-down.

 

[Kian]

I agree with the G's and N's first.
I learned them about a week ago and still cannot recognize them, but the T perm (one of my first) and J perm is extremely easy to recognize for me.
Go top-down.

Well I don't think that's necessarily an indication of how long you've known them. The approrpriate G's and N's (along with E) generally require more time to recognize than J's, T, U's, A's, etc. Doesn't matter when you learn them.

 

[jcuber]

I now use the R U R' U (J-perm) as my n-perm, I find it faster than my n-perm and easier to remember the mirror. Thanks!

 

[Nilxchaos]

I agree with the G's and N's first.
I learned them about a week ago and still cannot recognize them, but the T perm (one of my first) and J perm is extremely easy to recognize for me.
Go top-down.

Well I don't think that's necessarily an indication of how long you've known them. The approrpriate G's and N's (along with E) generally require more time to recognize than J's, T, U's, A's, etc. Doesn't matter when you learn them.

True. That isn't a good time to get acquainted with them.

But it is just a suggestion, I am saying get to know those first, besides the 2-Look PLL of course. So take it or leave it. I think he should get well acquainted with the G's and N's first on his journey to 1-Look PLL.

And I use the New E Perm, it was one of the last ones I learned. But i see how it is weird to recognize if it isn't set up right at the beginning. :confused:

 

[scooter]

are yougetting this?

 

[Escher]

I now use the R U R' U (J-perm) as my n-perm, I find it faster than my n-perm and easier to remember the mirror. Thanks!

Is that directed at me? If so, you're welcome. I can't remember who showed it me first, but i managed to never learn a real N perm, which made me happy.

 

[JustinJ]

I now use the R U R' U (J-perm) as my n-perm, I find it faster than my n-perm and easier to remember the mirror. Thanks!

WHOA! I thought I was the only one who did that!

 

[brunson]

U and A usually come first since everyone learns them as part of 2 look PLL. You could do them with others, say T and J or T and R, but the recognition is harder.

Using standard OLL U, A, R, J, F, T, V and Y all have a 1/18 chance of occurring, as do all the G's. E and Z have a 1/36 chance, while N and H have a 1/72.