Could speedcubing end at a point?

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[Caleb Valenzuela]

Right now, there has been soooo many improvements, alg sets, and other things which world class are learning. That brings you to think if speedcubing will reach a limit where you can't be faster than a certain point. I am pretty scared when this will happen cus once it does, the speedcubing hype could die down. What do you all think?

For 3x3, maybe. 2x2, I don’t know because of the whole sliding controversy. But for big cubes and side events, I don’t think so

 

[AhsanDaCuber125]

If it wasn't for Yiheng...

 

[Caleb Valenzuela]

If it wasn't for Yiheng...

don’t forget Quanyi

 

[SpeakCuba]

Right now, there has been soooo many improvements, alg sets, and other things which world class are learning. That brings you to think if speedcubing will reach a limit where you can't be faster than a certain point. I am pretty scared when this will happen cus once it does, the speedcubing hype could die down. What do you all think?

I don’t think so. People thought the exact thing when Feliks was at his peak, and yet we have still improved since. It’s a bit different now with better hardware and alg sets, but I think we’ll be surprised at how much more there is to improve.

 

[FatrockCubes]

Right now, there has been soooo many improvements, alg sets, and other things which world class are learning. That brings you to think if speedcubing will reach a limit where you can't be faster than a certain point. I am pretty scared when this will happen cus once it does, the speedcubing hype could die down. What do you all think?

I actually think cubing as a hobby is rather safe. I think that yes, there may be limits to puzzles like 3x3 and 2x2, other puzzles have limits that we aren't close to reaching. I also think it's important to note that the WCA could add a puzzle whenever they want to. I know people have been pushing FTO and I've heard some rumblings of support for 8x8 and 9x9 as well.

Anther notable aspect is, being real, most of us are never going to hold a world record. That being said, aside from competing against others, we are always constantly competing against ourselves. Always trying to better outrselves. That is something that gives cubing an extra pillar of strength.

Unrelated to the puzzles themselves, although we have had some issues recently with WCA leadership (that's a very different conversation), their goals align well with the growth of speedcubing. Having an organization committed to growing the hobby into a sport makes all the difference when considering longevity. I can persoanlly attest to the growth they've had over the last 10 years as well. When I cubed for my first stint, there was no cubers or comps near me. I was completely alone locally. I stopped cubing because of that. Fast forward about 10 years, I come back, and I find myself surrounded by other cubers and there have been at least 6 comps in the last 2 months within 4 hours of me, 3 within an hour.

I'd generally say things are still on a positive trend growth wise and at least for the time being, I wouldn't worry about cubing going anywhere.

 

[OtaMota]

Other sports/communites have had records last for decades, cubing has yet to reach to that point. Sports where the wr is still there after decades are still going strong, a whole bunch of people still do those sports.

Cubing records are nowhere near a point where they could stagnate. Right now, using very rough (and probably dumb) calculations, I found the half life for cubing WRs to be something like 6 months, it’s gonna be a while before we get to a point where you would expect records to last years

If cubing reaches a point where WRs stagnate, that’s fine, we will just focus on competition wins and stuff.

 

[Clock_Enthusiast]

I've been cubing on and off for about 10 years, and this is discussed every year at some point or another. There is of course a limit at which times can no longer be dropped, as there is no negative increment of time in this context. But every year tons of world records are broken, arguably almost every other weekend it seems. I remember a few years ago people thought we were cooked because Yunhao Lou had a sub-3 clock single, and now there's a sub-2. Or Hill Pong Yong Feng beating Stanley Chapel's 5BLD "unbeatable" WR single twice (one being Hill's own, though Stanley has since reclaimed WR). I remember when Lucas Etter got the first-5; that was one of the craziest moments at the time. Now, a good handful of people have sub-4 (or even multiple) official singles. There are ridiculous milestones that shock us every year, and it will continue to happen.

I do feel like it's time to add something new though, as the last added event was Skewb in 2013. I remember when I could get top 10 at a comp with an 11 second average lol. Original white plastic MoYu skewb for the win (but the real ones mained a LanLan). FTO seems the most likely given its incredibly strong unofficial presence at official comps. It would be exciting to have something new, as we're arguably in a whole different cubing generation now. I like the standardization of events, and we still do have 17 of them. But in order to continue building the excitement of milestones and improvement, something will need to be eventually added.

 

[2x2MasterYT]

don’t forget Quanyi

“Quanyi”

 

[eyeoh]

There's more to speedcubing than 2x2 and 3x3. So many other events don't have full participation, and therefore there's still plenty of scope for new world records with the existing events.

Besides, with any sport, there's more to interesting stats than just the world record of one event. For example: https://jonatanklosko.github.io/wca_statistics/

The only threat to speedcubing would be if every cuber found another hobby to spend more time doing (chess? outdoor sports?) but even then, it won't die.

 

[cuber314159]

As I said in this video here:

In 1998 Hitcham El geurroj held off Bernard Lagat to run the 2nd fastest 1500m in history, Bernard Lagat was about 0.1 seconds behind, Hitcham's time was 2nd only to himself the previous year, no one else has run a time within 0.5 seconds ever since but that doesn't stop people trying and people getting excited about watching 1500m races.

 

[2x2MasterYT]

As I said in this video here:

In 1998 Hitcham El geurroj held off Bernard Lagat to run the 2nd fastest 1500m in history, Bernard Lagat was about 0.1 seconds behind, Hitcham's time was 2nd only to himself the previous year, no one else has run a time within 0.5 seconds ever since but that doesn't stop people trying and people getting excited about watching 1500m races.

Oh I watch your vids but I didn’t know you were speedcubing dot org lol

 

[That_slow_guy]

Right now, there has been soooo many improvements, alg sets, and other things which world class are learning. That brings you to think if speedcubing will reach a limit where you can't be faster than a certain point. I am pretty scared when this will happen cus once it does, the speedcubing hype could die down. What do you all think?

DONT. PUT. THIS. IN. MY. MIND

 

[AhsanDaCuber125]

Most events are not cooked at all.
But my concerns are 2x2, 3x3, 5BLD, and Slewb

 

[Swagrid]

2x2 and 3x3 are getting pushed pretty hard. But there's still pyra skewb oh 4 5 6 7 the blds fmc etc etc etc

And it's not about WRs, it's about individual people.

And even if we run out of official events, we have unofficial events.

Until every person in the world has perfected every twisty puzzle created, cubing is alive.

 

[Garf]

2x2 and 3x3 are getting pushed pretty hard. But there's still pyra skewb oh 4 5 6 7 the blds fmc etc etc etc

And it's not about WRs, it's about individual people.

And even if we run out of official events, we have unofficial events.

Until every person in the world has perfected every twisty puzzle created, cubing is alive.

Honestly I could live by this. Even though I still think I have a chance against LML at mega. I just have to grind.

 

[abunickabhi]

2x2 and 3x3 are getting pushed pretty hard. But there's still pyra skewb oh 4 5 6 7 the blds fmc etc etc etc

And it's not about WRs, it's about individual people.

And even if we run out of official events, we have unofficial events.

Until every person in the world has perfected every twisty puzzle created, cubing is alive.

I do not think 2x2 and 3x3 has been perfected yet.

 

[FatrockCubes]

I've been cubing on and off for about 10 years, and this is discussed every year at some point or another. There is of course a limit at which times can no longer be dropped, as there is no negative increment of time in this context. But every year tons of world records are broken, arguably almost every other weekend it seems. I remember a few years ago people thought we were cooked because Yunhao Lou had a sub-3 clock single, and now there's a sub-2. Or Hill Pong Yong Feng beating Stanley Chapel's 5BLD "unbeatable" WR single twice (one being Hill's own, though Stanley has since reclaimed WR). I remember when Lucas Etter got the first-5; that was one of the craziest moments at the time. Now, a good handful of people have sub-4 (or even multiple) official singles. There are ridiculous milestones that shock us every year, and it will continue to happen.

I do feel like it's time to add something new though, as the last added event was Skewb in 2013. I remember when I could get top 10 at a comp with an 11 second average lol. Original white plastic MoYu skewb for the win (but the real ones mained a LanLan). FTO seems the most likely given its incredibly strong unofficial presence at official comps. It would be exciting to have something new, as we're arguably in a whole different cubing generation now. I like the standardization of events, and we still do have 17 of them. But in order to continue building the excitement of milestones and improvement, something will need to be eventually added.

I think FTO, 8, and 9 would be awesome! I do however think FTO is more reasonable than 8 or 9. There wouldn't be too many poeple doing 8 or 9 in smaller comps and there would have to be decent cutoffs too.

 

[n0nco]

I personally believe there is a theoretical limit, (which isn't 0.01) but it is likely it could only be achievable with new techniques, the techniques could just be alg sets, but it could also be like look-ahead, where with alg sets there is a visible ending, and is pretty straight forward to learn, but with look-ahead, its more abstract, having an unknown skill limit, (possible infinite? Don't quote me on that) and world class is constantly getting better at it, (I'm going to call it progressive-techniques from here on out) so perhaps to get to the Speedcubing limit you have to get to the end of lookahead and other progressive-techniques, and maybe also alg sets with thousands or tens of thousands of algs.

But that is only thinking about CFOP, there may be a CFOP limit, but new, better methods may be created, which are WAYYYY harder to learn and could be one large progressive-technique or multiple/all steps could be progressive-techniques, (not quite sure how either of those would work but I assume you get the point) I'd call these progressive-methods, or y'know the new methods could just be better, no innovation involved, or also different forms of innovation.

My point is: there is probably a theoretical limit, reaching the theoretical limit could take more time than a life-time could afford, and to merely be able reach the practical limit it could take a very long time to realise the methods/techniques required. (I spent more time on this paragraph than the last paragraph, goes to show how bad I am at formulating my opinion/point.)

I used to ponder this posts question when I was into cubing, and I came to the realisation of "Does it even matter?", if WRs are unachievable, doesn't mean it stops you from progressing, and if you become world class then win worlds, you don't need WRs. The beauty of cubing is that its never the same, the chances you get the same scramble twice is second to none, and times are inconsistent, it'll always be different, you'll never see a A05 that is the exact same time 5 times, probably not 4 times or 3 times either.

This was too much work for my brain before I even had breakfast. Also just realised the post says Speedcubing, never mentions 3x3, I'm assuming the post refers to 3x3.

 

[Registrau]

Right now, there has been soooo many improvements, alg sets, and other things which world class are learning. That brings you to think if speedcubing will reach a limit where you can't be faster than a certain point. I am pretty scared when this will happen cus once it does, the speedcubing hype could die down

Interesting, I'm new to cubing but I had the same thought. Cubes are getting so technically perfect that they are even starting to remove features (gan), and times are getting so low (3x3, 2x2) that it will be physically improbable to get better.

I guess as a professional sport cubing might focus on different events (bigger cubes) or new ones (fto)

As a hobby I don't think it will ever disappear, us mortals won't ever reach Park's times hehe.