[Help Thread] setup+VHLS=ZBLS?

[amateras]

I know that VHLS is a subset of ZBLS.
There are too many ZBs, so I'm thinking of using VHLS as an alternative.

Is it overwhelmingly better to use ZBLS than to use VHLS?
If I don't use ZB, is it better not to use VHLS because it's trash?
(assume that I know full ZBLL)

1. ZBLS+ZBLL
2. setupmove+VHLS+ZBLS

 

[Puzzle Maniac]

Being a subset, they are pretty similar, so there isn't much difference in the subsets

 

[Tigerninja]

This is the Vandenbergh-Harris method, or VH for short. According to the wiki, its movecount is about the same as for ZB. I don't know about the ergonomics, but I can assure you that VHLS is better developed than ZBLS.

Link to the VH page of the wiki

 

[Deleted member 36445]

of course ZBLS will be better than setup + VH because is less moves but you'll have to learn more algs

 

[ProStar]

ZBLS is largely intuitive. You can usually do some minor EO influencing or a slightly different insert in a way that may technically be somewhere between VHLS and ZBLS but is actually intuitive and no (or very little) pause

 

[Tigerninja]

Also, you can use setup+VHLS and just learn some of the best ZBLS algs.

 

[Deleted member 36445]

This is the Vandenbergh-Harris method, or VH for short. According to the wiki, its movecount is about the same as for ZB. I don't know about the ergonomics, but I can assure you that VHLS is better developed than ZBLS.

Link to the VH page of the wiki

similar to saying that 2 look OLL is better developed than full OLL

for VH you have to form the pair first, for ZBLS you just solve last f2l pair + EO no mather what case you get

 

[Tigerninja]

similar to saying that 2 look OLL is better developed than full OLL

ZBLS hasn't been used in big scale, I'm sure the VHLS algs are more optimised than the ZBLS ones.

OLL has been used in big scale.

 

[Deleted member 36445]

ZBLS hasn't been used in big scale, I'm sure the VHLS algs are more optimised than the ZBLS ones.

OLL has been used in big scale.

brooks use ZBLS

 

[Tigerninja]

brooks use ZBLS

There are still a lot more ZBLS cases than VHLS cases, and I think more persons are using VHLS than ZBLS.

 

[edward_9x]

EOLS can sometimes be intuitive, and I'm pretty sure most high-level cfoppers influence EO during F2L, so they get ZB most of the time without actually using full ZBLS.

 

[Deleted member 36445]

EOLS can sometimes be intuitive, and I'm pretty sure most high-level cfoppers influence EO during F2L, so they get ZB most of the time without actually using full ZBLS.

you can try to swap an unoriented edge on the slot with another unoriented edge on top layer before rotating while solving pairs

 

[edward_9x]

you can try to swap an unoriented edge on the slot with another unoriented edge on top layer before rotating while solving pairs

Anthony Brooks influences EO before LS sometimes, when it's feasible.

 

[Deleted member 36445]

Anthony Brooks influences EO before LS sometimes, when it's feasible.

I do that too lol