New 3x3x3 avg WR

[Hadley4000]

Tim is right. The record took place in Poland, but otherwise Poland has nothing to do with it. Poland did not set the record, and you can't congratulate the country for being the best at cubing just because one of their citizens had a good result. Give credit where credit is due. Congratulations Tomasz!

By that theory, wouldn't the Olympics have no national meaning?

 

[EmersonHerrmann]

P.S. - many different WR breakers instead of the ones that you would think would break it

Okay I can understand people not thinking Yumu might break the record, but Tomasz had 2 sub-11.50 averages before this, including an 11.32 average that was only .04 away from the WR at the time. He also held the ER before Erik broke the WR, and won the European Championships. Or were you living in a cave for all of that? You can't look at this and honestly tell me Tomasz was not a top contender.

Well I know Tomasz is a top contender, but there are all those people out there thinking "Oh Harris, xxxx, xxxx, xxxx, or Nakajima will get it". There are those kinda people out there who are close-minded about WRs because they see all these Youtube videos of Nakaji and Harris and whatnot, so they don't really recognize other potential WR holders (this includes myself as Dan states two comments below heheh).

 

[shelley]

Tim is right. The record took place in Poland, but otherwise Poland has nothing to do with it. Poland did not set the record, and you can't congratulate the country for being the best at cubing just because one of their citizens had a good result. Give credit where credit is due. Congratulations Tomasz!

By that theory, wouldn't the Olympics have no national meaning?

Comparing the Olympics with a little niche sport like speedcubing is apples to oranges. With many Olympic sports, a champion is the result of training facilities, programs, and sponsorships available from their country. Some national governments actively try to produce medalists. While it's still a little silly for some guy sitting on the couch watching at home to have some sort of pride because somebody else trained their butt off for a medal, an Olympic champion is quite different from a cuber who just solves a cube over and over in their room and maybe gets a lucky solve or two in competition (not saying Tomasz's solves were necessarily lucky, but a very fast cuber who got some lucky solves could very well be a WR contender).

In the cubing world, we only represent different countries because we happen to be citizens of different countries. With very few exceptions, nobody is training or sponsoring us as a representative of our respective home countries.

 

[masterofthebass]

Well I know Tomasz is a top contender, but there are all those people out there thinking "Oh Harris, xxxx, xxxx, xxxx, or Nakajima will get it". There are those kinda people out there who are close-minded about WRs because they see all these Youtube videos of Nakaji and Harris and whatnot, so they don't really recognize other potential WR holders. I realize that Tomasz is very fast, I actually thought he would get the WR sometime or another, and he did

From what I remember, YOU are one of the top people who say that harris/ nakaji will get the WR. Then, when some other person does something, you jump on the WR bandwagon and say that you thought they would get the record. Just make up your mind...

 

[Kian]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being happy a fellow countrymen set a wr. No, obviously Poland didn't set it but as long as your not a jingoist maniac I see no problem in enjoying the fact that it was set in your home country by someone from your country. I agree with the Olympic metaphor, its the same idea. I don't know most of the people I root for in the Olympics, I just know I root for the USA because I live here, just like others do the same. There is nothing wrong with some casually happiness for this.

 

[EmersonHerrmann]

Well I know Tomasz is a top contender, but there are all those people out there thinking "Oh Harris, xxxx, xxxx, xxxx, or Nakajima will get it". There are those kinda people out there who are close-minded about WRs because they see all these Youtube videos of Nakaji and Harris and whatnot, so they don't really recognize other potential WR holders. I realize that Tomasz is very fast, I actually thought he would get the WR sometime or another, and he did

From what I remember, YOU are one of the top people who say that harris/ nakaji will get the WR. Then, when some other person does something, you jump on the WR bandwagon and say that you thought they would get the record. Just make up your mind...

Bah, whatever. I guess you are right, though, I apologize :\

 

[pjk]

Congrats on the WR, Tomasz.

 

[dChan]

Wow, only 7 days. The world record is really getting crazy. Great job Tomasz!!!

 

[Paris]

getting back to my argue i have to say that i was very sad when i was reading what tim wrote

and of course i meant the word "offend"

and Matthew wrote that Tomasz set the world record not Poland

and I am also from Poland so I can also say Poland!! whenever i want

and in Poland we are not rude and we are not loutish and the climate during competiton is rather polite and friendly ( am I right Mrs Oey? )

I dont want to say anything about Germany coz i really respect Dennis so I think that's all

 

[ThePizzaGuy92]

that didn't take long.

wow, and with a DNF.

Beast.

 

[qqwref]

About the Olympics and Davis Cup and so on: in those scenarios it is understood that the athlete is representing their country. You would have to be one of the best in your country to get on the national team, and since that team represents the country it makes sense that the country would feel honored if their athlete does well or dishonored if their athlete does poorly. And when an athlete represents their country it's also understood that the country has helped them out - since the country has put some resources into making the athlete as skilled as they are, congratulating the country is a natural thing to do (although you should still congratulate the athlete of course!).

But for speedcubing, shellie's right on the dot: your country really does not affect your cubing potential or training, and furthermore you do not represent your country. It's not like each country chooses its best cubers to send to a given competition - there's no "Polish team" that trains together, just a bunch of really fast cubers who happen to be from Poland. Poland itself didn't do anything to help them along, and I agree that it's silly to cheer for the country when it put no effort or resources into making Tomasz a better cuber. I think if you do that you are just taking credit away from Tomasz for his amazing accomplishment.

So, congratulations Tomasz!

 

[EmersonHerrmann]

That would be pretty sick if there were teams...but then again, it would have to be states for the U.s., making it easier for them to gather.

 

[Lord Voldemort]

Look's like sub 11 is the new "elite" now...
I think this opens a lot of people's eyes who thought the WR was a 2 way contest between Akkersdyk and Nakajima (sorry about the names)...
10.63, wow. With a DNF... wow...

Nakajima had a WR for 11 months, and then 3 new WRs in the past 6 weeks.
Start practicing again Yu

Quote from the WCA website homepage -

"Tomasz Zolnowski wins Warsaw Open 2009
April 5, 2009 - 00:50 — Ron van Bruchem

Tomasz Zolnowski won the Warsaw Open 2009 with an average of 11.85 seconds. Adam Polkowski finished second (12.93) and Piotr Kózka finished third (13.26).
World records: Tomasz Zolnowski 3x3 10.63 (average)."

Huh?

 

[Crazycubemom]

Paris , you are right ( not left ), thats the reason that POLSKA is my ( and my family ) favorite team beside the A- Team.

I think because of antosiastic way, Matthew said "Poland" !! , Poland cubers they don't talk too much but their way of cubing is: Silent is GOLD :, unfortunately I don't have 24 carats gold other wise my gold goes to POLSKA.

The winner for 3x3x3 at European Championship 2008 is Tomasz so no surprise if he is now WR holder for 3x3x3. The winner takes it ALL trala la .

By the way Tom Tom "ZABA" is the same as Andrew Kang ( silent cubers )

 

[Harris Chan]

Congratulations, Tomasz! Should I switch to F2L on L face now?

Tomasz Zolnowski won the Warsaw Open 2009 with an average of 11.85 seconds. Adam Polkowski finished second (12.93) and Piotr Kózka finished third (13.26).
World records: Tomasz Zolnowski 3x3 10.63 (average)."

Huh?

The final round average is 11.85, but the WR average was set in the second round.

By the time I get to compete again, the WR may very well be sub 10

 

[Lt-UnReaL]

Look's like sub 11 is the new "elite" now...
I think this opens a lot of people's eyes who thought the WR was a 2 way contest between Akkersdyk and Nakajima (sorry about the names)...
10.63, wow. With a DNF... wow...

Nakajima had a WR for 11 months, and then 3 new WRs in the past 6 weeks.
Start practicing again Yu

Quote from the WCA website homepage -

"Tomasz Zolnowski wins Warsaw Open 2009
April 5, 2009 - 00:50 — Ron van Bruchem

Tomasz Zolnowski won the Warsaw Open 2009 with an average of 11.85 seconds. Adam Polkowski finished second (12.93) and Piotr Kózka finished third (13.26).
World records: Tomasz Zolnowski 3x3 10.63 (average)."

Huh?

10.63 = 2nd round
11.85 = final round

 

[Lord Voldemort]

That's dumb...
Say he got a world record in the one round but messed up badly on the last...
He would get a World Record, but not even win the competition. They should compare everyone's best score from the competition.

 

[EmersonHerrmann]

Akkersdyk and Nakajima (sorry about the names)...

Just to tell ya', it's Akkersdijk.

 

[Chuberchuckee]

That's dumb...
Say he got a world record in the one round but messed up badly on the last...
He would get a World Record, but not even win the competition. They should compare everyone's best score from the competition.

Another thing about competitions that bothers me is that your success is based solely on your perfomance in 3x3x3 speedsolve. That's the only even the WCA uses to determine "winners" and second and and third place holders at competitions.

 

[Lord Voldemort]

That's closer than I expected.
Only missing one letter