Fukuoka Kengo James' Progression Thread

[Fukuoka Kengo James]

I was wondering what method you use for Skewb at the moment? I average around 11-12 seconds and want to become sub-10, I am a little unsure of what to learn next (I use the beginners method).

Sorry but I just noticed your post here. I recommend learning some L4C cases first, not really new algs but just triple sledges and setup moves.

 

[Torrian]

Sorry but I just noticed your post here. I recommend learning some L4C cases first, not really new algs but just triple sledges and setup moves.

Thanks

 

[Fukuoka Kengo James]

First sub 2 Pyraminx PB ever on insane scram:
L R' L' R B' R' L R' L' R' L' l r u
Main: Pi Cube Premium Ball Core MoYu WeiLong Pyraminx Maglev

 

[Fukuoka Kengo James]

Just tried my friend’s PiCube Premium Ball Core MoYu AoShi WRM and got my first sub 3 PB on 6x6 ever, gonna send my UV coated wrm6 to them and let them add ball core into it and set it up for me

 

[Cubinginatree]

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First sub 2 Pyraminx PB ever on insane scram:
L R' L' R B' R' L R' L' R' L' l r u
Main: Pi Cube Premium Ball Core MoYu WeiLong Pyraminx Maglev

Wow that's fast!! Congratulations!

 

[Fukuoka Kengo James]

Got 3BLD PB with Turbo edges which is quite new to me, very lucky scramble tho

 

[SkewbIsTheBestEvent]

Got 3BLD PB with Turbo edges which is quite new to me, very lucky scramble tho

Nice!

You would have saved a second there though without that interesting way to take off the cover

 

[Fukuoka Kengo James]

4x4 BLD
- no success yet
- main: Pi Cube Premium MoYu RS4 M
- method: U2 centres, Turbo edges (3-style for beginners), OP corners
- goal: get PR single

@abunickabhi I’m learning 4BLD lately, and I’m not sure if I should learn M2 or Turbo for the edges on 4BLD. Actually I don’t even know M2 on 3BLD but I’m already using Turbo for edges on 3BLD.

 

[Jorian Meeuse]

@abunickabhi I’m learning 4BLD lately, and I’m not sure if I should learn M2 or Turbo for the edges on 4BLD. Actually I don’t even know M2 on 3BLD but I’m already using Turbo for edges on 3BLD.

I'm not sure what Turbo actually is, but if I recall correctly it is mostly just setup into U perms right?
Personally my methodology for 3BLD went like this: OP/OP -> M2/OP -> M2/Orozco -> full 3-style. I didn't find the transitioning from M2 to 3-style particularly more difficult than from Orozco to 3-style. I don't really see a point in using more in-between methods like Turbo or Eka. Because of that, I think it's better to just do r2 for 4BLD wings.
Btw, I've only used 3-style for 4BLD, 5BLD and 6BLD. My first 7BLD success was with r2/U2/OP, but that's because for no reason I did 7BLD before 4,5,6BLD.

Good luck learning bigBLD!

 

[Fukuoka Kengo James]

I'm not sure what Turbo actually is, but if I recall correctly it is mostly just setup into U perms right?
Personally my methodology for 3BLD went like this: OP/OP -> M2/OP -> M2/Orozco -> full 3-style. I didn't find the transitioning from M2 to 3-style particularly more difficult than from Orozco to 3-style. I don't really see a point in using more in-between methods like Turbo or Eka. Because of that, I think it's better to just do r2 for 4BLD wings.
Btw, I've only used 3-style for 4BLD, 5BLD and 6BLD. My first 7BLD success was with r2/U2/OP, but that's because for no reason I did 7BLD before 4,5,6BLD.

Good luck learning bigBLD!

Turbo is basically 3-style but with much less algs, but obviously not just U perms. You can see me doing tons of S moves in the vid other than the 2 U perms.
The point is that I don’t even know M2 on 3BLD but I already know turbo on 3BLD. Even though M2 edges is a lot more popular for 4BLD, and I somehow found a vid on Turbo edges on 4BLD: http://b23.tv/4MiqTEw
Thoughts?

 

[Fukuoka Kengo James]

I'm not sure what Turbo actually is, but if I recall correctly it is mostly just setup into U perms right?
Personally my methodology for 3BLD went like this: OP/OP -> M2/OP -> M2/Orozco -> full 3-style. I didn't find the transitioning from M2 to 3-style particularly more difficult than from Orozco to 3-style. I don't really see a point in using more in-between methods like Turbo or Eka. Because of that, I think it's better to just do r2 for 4BLD wings.
Btw, I've only used 3-style for 4BLD, 5BLD and 6BLD. My first 7BLD success was with r2/U2/OP, but that's because for no reason I did 7BLD before 4,5,6BLD.

Good luck learning bigBLD!

Is megaminx blind possible? I may want to learn it after 4BLD rather than 5BLD.

 

[GloopyGum]

I really have no idea how good turbo really is, but I strongly suggest you at least give m2 a try. It's a lot more fingertrick friendly than turbo (i think). If you watch people like luke garrett or lucas etter who have gotten really fast with m2, their execution is really smooth

 

[Jorian Meeuse]

Is megaminx blind possible? I may want to learn it after 4BLD rather than 5BLD.

Yeah it's possible. I haven't done it yet but theoretically could. You just need a system to label all pieces differently (I would personally probably memorize 2 letters per piece instead of 1 letter, the first indicating the side the piece is on, the second indicating what location on that side)
I'll probably try it at some point but i want a 2-7 relay success first

 

[Garf]

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First sub 50 PB on megaminx, faster than 4x4

Wait when did you get so fast at megaminx?

 

[Fukuoka Kengo James]

I really have no idea how good turbo really is, but I strongly suggest you at least give m2 a try. It's a lot more fingertrick friendly than turbo (i think). If you watch people like luke garrett or lucas etter who have gotten really fast with m2, their execution is really smooth

I tried to learn that as well, just that I always mess up with the setup moves.

Turbo is basically 3-style but with much less algs, but obviously not just U perms. You can see me doing tons of S moves in the vid other than the 2 U perms.
The point is that I don’t even know M2 on 3BLD but I already know turbo on 3BLD. Even though M2 edges is a lot more popular for 4BLD, and I somehow found a vid on Turbo edges on 4BLD: http://b23.tv/4MiqTEw
Thoughts?

Turbo works really well for 3BLD, but as for 4BLD there are f and b moves instead of S moves, it is very easy to mess up the algs sometimes

 

[Fukuoka Kengo James]

I tried to learn that as well, just that I always mess up with the setup moves.

Turbo works really well for 3BLD, but as for 4BLD there are f and b moves instead of S moves, it is very easy to mess up the algs sometimes

Are there any edge parities for M2? The edge parity for Turbo edges on 3BLD is Z perm other than the edge flips

 

[GloopyGum]

Are there any edge parities for M2? The edge parity for Turbo edges on 3BLD is Z perm other than the edge flips

Yep. The edge parity alg can be done with MU moves (around the same length as z perm)

 

[Mike Hughey]

I learned r2 for 4bld before I learned M2 for 3bld. r2 makes more sense and is easier to learn than M2, in my opinion, because you don't have all the bad cases. I think r2 for 4bld is a good stepping stone to learning M2 for 3bld.

And yes, megaminx BLD is actually pretty easy except for the memorization, which is ugly because it doesn't fit well with an alphabet of 26 characters. If you had an alphabet with 30 characters and letter pair images for each, it would actually be pretty straightforward. Since I don't have that, I find it rather unpleasant. Doable, but unpleasant.

 

[ProStar]

I learned r2 for 4bld before I learned M2 for 3bld. r2 makes more sense and is easier to learn than M2, in my opinion, because you don't have all the bad cases. I think r2 for 4bld is a good stepping stone to learning M2 for 3bld.

Interesting; I found M2 to make a lot more sense than r2. Inherently I do like the idea of one letter for each piece rather than two, but because I already knew OP by the time I learned either, I already had grasped and came to expect the idea of one letter per “sticker” on a piece. Using r2 has taken some adjustment in order to grasp that each wing has only one correct place (rather than the two that you’d assume when first looking at the puzzle) and will be flipped if it is put in its “brother’s” spot, therefore only requiring one letter for the whole piece. Why do you think r2 was easier for you to learn compared to M2?

 

[Mike Hughey]

Actually it's exactly that which made r2 make more sense to me than M2. Since I already knew all the pieces were distinct and couldn't be flipped, it was much easier to understand how all the pieces in the l and r slices worked. With having the flipped pieces in 3x3x3 the algorithms just looked random to me and didn't make any sense. With r2, every setup makes sense intuitively. To me, at least.