I suck at memorizing algorithms. I have been cubing for 5 years but I'm still only sub 30 (I use 4LLL CFOP). I'm trying to learn full PLL.

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I only started learning CFOP 2 years ago, 3 years into cubing because I was just then sub 1 minute on 3x3. I'm slow at improving and I'm always at a standstill. I've been trying to get sub-20. My PB is 22. I'm trying to learn full PLL right now. I suck at memorizing algorithms. I see people already sub 15 after 2 years but I'm still sub 30 after 5 years. I know I have special needs so I learn a bit slower, specifically I have autism and ADHD. Well, @Areli Gómez, my friend, she is 13 years old, has 6 years of experience, and is sub 15. She hit sub 30 after 3 years, at age 10. She's also autistic. Hell, Max Park is also autistic so it can't be the reason. I'm 16 now. Maybe I started cubing too late? I started at 11. I need help! I'm not giving up.
 
What is too late? I've been cubing on and off since 2010 and I still average about 27 :p

I aim to learn at most one PLL a day. I'm getting the R and N perms into memory, then I'll get to the G perms.
 
qwr said:
What is too late? I've been cubing on and off since 2010 and I still average about 27 :p

I aim to learn at most one PLL a day. I'm getting the R and N perms into memory, then I'll get to the G perms.
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I've been going consistently since 2018. I average about 25-29. I try to learn a PLL group a day. So I'll do corner PLL (A perms and E perm) one day, diagonal PLL another (Y perm (I know that), V perm, N perms), G perms, adjacent PLL (T perm (know), J perms (know), F perm, R perms)
 
Looks like Emma mentioned me… I shall be summoned!

Ok so I had the same problem in fact, so I just switched to Roux. I had tons of issues with memorizing CMLL algs. I just practiced certain cases a day. I found recognizable sequences (RUR’U’, URU’R’, R’FRF’ etc) and put them in parenthesis. Try that with the PLLs. Also try doing them with looking at the written down algorithm as a “hint”, then after 5 tries do it without it. Repeat the algorithm out loud if you need to. Keep training! You got this! You’re improving! And what does my age matter? 🤣 I have more experience, and it’s never too late,

edit: J Perm has a really good PLL trainer on his website. You can select algorithms which you know or are learning, filter by group, and train them. You can filter by “realistic”, so by probability they will occur in a solve so you know which ones to practice and learn the most.
 
EmmaTheCapicorn said:
I only started learning CFOP 2 years ago, 3 years into cubing because I was just then sub 1 minute on 3x3. I'm slow at improving and I'm always at a standstill. I've been trying to get sub-20. My PB is 22. I'm trying to learn full PLL right now. I suck at memorizing algorithms. I see people already sub 15 after 2 years but I'm still sub 30 after 5 years. I know I have special needs so I learn a bit slower, specifically I have autism and ADHD. Well, @Areli Gómez, my friend, she is 13 years old, has 6 years of experience, and is sub 15. She hit sub 30 after 3 years, at age 10. She's also autistic. Hell, Max Park is also autistic so it can't be the reason. I'm 16 now. Maybe I started cubing too late? I started at 11. I need help! I'm not giving up.
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In order to learn full PLL, you just have to learn the patterns to algs, memorize how your fingers know, and drill your algs. If you really want to get sun 20, I'd recommend you learn lookahead soon. Also, you didn't start too late. Phil Yu from the cubicle started at 18 and was almost #1 in the world at OH. I started at your age and have severe ADHD and minor fine mortar skill issues and recently starting averaging sub 12. If you really want to improve, then you have to practice. (That's why I'm not sub 10.)
 
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Discomantis said:
In order to learn full PLL, you just have to learn the patterns to algs, memorize how your fingers know, and drill your algs. If you really want to get sun 20, I'd recommend you learn lookahead soon. Also, you didn't start too late. Phil Yu from the cubicle started at 18 and was almost #1 in the world at OH. I started at your age and have severe ADHD and minor fine mortar skill issues and recently starting averaging sub 12. If you really want to improve, then you have to practice. (That's why I'm not sub 10.)
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That's me too. I have severe ADHD, mild autism, and I also have Tourettes which slows me down a bit if I tic in the middle of a solve. I practice daily for 2-4 hours a day. When I'm not at school or doing homework I'm cubing.
 
Discomantis said:
In order to learn full PLL, you just have to learn the patterns to algs, memorize how your fingers know, and drill your algs. If you really want to get sun 20, I'd recommend you learn lookahead soon. Also, you didn't start too late. Phil Yu from the cubicle started at 18 and was almost #1 in the world at OH. I started at your age and have severe ADHD and minor fine mortar skill issues and recently starting averaging sub 12. If you really want to improve, then you have to practice. (That's why I'm not sub 10.)
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This I agree with. I think some days focus more on learning algorithms than doing solves. Once you learned some algorithms apply them in 10-20 practice solves after about 20-30 minutes of algorithm practice.
 
For me i could never learn more than 1 alg a day, and i learnt them based on old knowledge and algorithms within algorithms, Ja Perm is inverted T Perm, Na Perm is setup to Ja Perm, etc etc


Look for sledges, hedges, sexys and other short algs to make it less of words and more of Sledge, R U B Hedge or whatever
 
This may be bad advice, as I don't have any neurological/mental conditions that may cause bad memory, but I found J Perm's PLL and OLL trainers to work very well. For context, I am 13 and have been cubing 1.5 years and know full OLL and PLL.
 
TheSpeedSkewber said:
For me i could never learn more than 1 alg a day, and i learnt them based on old knowledge and algorithms within algorithms, Ja Perm is inverted T Perm, Na Perm is setup to Ja Perm, etc etc
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I can see that. I also notice with the G perms I can do one on a solved cube and get another G perm. They're just inverses of each other.
 
robotmania said:
This may be bad advice, as I don't have any neurological/mental conditions that may cause bad memory, but I found J Perm's PLL and OLL trainers to work very well. For context, I am 13 and have been cubing 1.5 years and know full OLL and PLL.
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Nice! My friend @Areli Gómez in the comments is 13 but she's been cubing for 6 years. She uses Roux though. The trainers do help me. :)
It does suck being slow because my cubing is affected by it.
 
robotmania said:
This may be bad advice, as I don't have any neurological/mental conditions that may cause bad memory, but I found J Perm's PLL and OLL trainers to work very well. For context, I am 13 and have been cubing 1.5 years and know full OLL and PLL.
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Yes, building up knowledge & muscle memory over time to build memory of the cases is such an amazing way to learn algs, but requires a lot of patience
 
EmmaTheCapicorn said:
Nice! My friend @Areli Gómez in the comments is 13 but she's been cubing for 6 years. She uses Roux though. The trainers do help me. :)
It does suck being slow because my cubing is affected by it.
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Do you have an event that you are fast at? It helps to not just have 3x3 AND be slow at it.
 
TheSpeedSkewber said:
Yes, building up knowledge & muscle memory over time to build memory of the cases is such an amazing way to learn algs, but requires a lot of patience
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It does. But it all pays off. All the blood sweat and tears you dedicate to cubing pay off! You already cut your solve time in half in just 2 years. Keep this up and you’ll be probably sub 10 by the time you’re 20-22.
 
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