Method Platform time solve in LL

[Deleted member 27249]

I don't understand why years ago you didn't consider it a good method.
I take 6-7 seconds.
is a sub-method of the last layer called Platform.

 

[JDAW6]

It is hard to understand for me and it also it seems to be ineffective. oll and pll are better. Just my opinion tho

 

[IsThatA4x4]

I take 6-7 seconds

I'm sorry, but an LL time of 6-7 seconds really doesn't convince anyone of this being a good method yet; considering typical CFOP LLs take less than 2-3 seconds at the highest level. The reason your method has been ignored for "years" might be because it isn't good. If you work to change that and make it better, we might consider it rather than if you post the same thread multiple times about the same concept, which is effectively just spam.

 

[Deleted member 27249]

I'm sorry, but an LL time of 6-7 seconds really doesn't convince anyone of this being a good method yet; considering typical CFOP LLs take less than 2-3 seconds at the highest level. The reason your method has been ignored for "years" might be because it isn't good. If you work to change that and make it better, we might consider it rather than if you post the same thread multiple times about the same concept, which is effectively just spam.

My TPS is low.
If I use OLL and PLL make 6-7 seconds.

 

[IsThatA4x4]

My TPS is low.
If I use OLL and PLL make 6-7 seconds.

Yes, but my point is that we would need to see how this LL method performs at a higher level, where recognition must be done much faster and worse algs can't just be made up for with "slow TPS". I could pick up a cube right now and solve with ZZ, Roux, or Petrus in 30 seconds; if my CFOP also took 30 seconds I could make the argument that all the methods are equally good but 30 seconds is nowhere near the potential speed of these methods, it would be wrong to compare them now.

 

[Deleted member 27249]

It is hard to understand for me and it also it seems to be ineffective. oll and pll are better. Just my opinion tho

In second step:
5 Line/PLL
8 Line/ELL
16 Line/Tripod LL
12 Line/ZBLL
30 Line standard
I Speaked in Italian.
This a Example solve.

 

[JDAW6]

But I speak in French.

 

[Deleted member 27249]

Yes, but my point is that we would need to see how this LL method performs at a higher level, where recognition must be done much faster and worse algs can't just be made up for with "slow TPS". I could pick up a cube right now and solve with ZZ, Roux, or Petrus in 30 seconds; if my CFOP also took 30 seconds I could make the argument that all the methods are equally good but 30 seconds is nowhere near the potential speed of these methods, it would be wrong to compare them now.

I use Cross F2L and plat.
so me sometimes its like i do cfop example case Ua Perm Is a case Line.
when if a create case Line can be in 5 situations to PLL.
Ja,Jb,Ua,Ub,F.
For this i compare platform with Fridrich.
My ao100 20s about.

 

[ruffleduck]

I don't understand why years ago you didn't consider it a good method.
I take 6-7 seconds.
is a sub-method of the last layer called Platform.

Step 1 is definitely worse than OLL and step 2 is probably worse than PLL.

 

[Deleted member 27249]

Step 1 is definitely worse than OLL and step 2 is probably worse than PLL.

Step 2:
5 Line/PLL
8 Line/ELL
16 Line/Tripod LL
12 Line/ZBLL
30 Line standard

 

[Deleted member 27249]

Step 1 is definitely worse than OLL and step 2 is probably worse than PLL.

if you say so you don't know there are pll cases Ja,Jb,Ua,Ub,F.

 

[ruffleduck]

if you say so you don't know there are pll cases Ja,Jb,Ua,Ub,F.

I'm fully aware that Ja,Jb,Ua,Ub,F fall into the category of 113 solved LL. Yes, there is some intersection. The issue is that there are many other cases than that in 113 LL that are bad. I am positive that PLL as a set is better than 113 LL as a set.

 

[Arcanist]

The problem with this method is no one has proved it to be effective. Pll and Oll on the other hand are used by many top cubers around the world, with maybe a bit of subsets like WV. If the method was comparable, at least some people would use it for last layer. (kinda like cfop vs roux)

 

[Deleted member 27249]

The problem with this method is no one has proved it to be effective. Pll and Oll on the other hand are used by many top cubers around the world, with maybe a bit of subsets like WV. If the method was comparable, at least some people would use it for last layer. (kinda like cfop vs roux)

There would have to be a revision of the algorithms to make them more optimal.
it's unpopular because nobody uses it but me who developed it.

 

[Deleted member 27249]

The problem with this method is no one has proved it to be effective. Pll and Oll on the other hand are used by many top cubers around the world, with maybe a bit of subsets like WV. If the method was comparable, at least some people would use it for last layer. (kinda like cfop vs roux)

however it is normal that it is so because no one is ever really interested.

 

[ProStar]

This seems to me far more complicated and less effective than just learning 4LLL. I’m not sure the total alg count, but it looks like it’s nearing the amount of 3LLL with full PLL

 

[Deleted member 27249]

I'm fully aware that Ja,Jb,Ua,Ub,F fall into the category of 113 solved LL. Yes, there is some intersection. The issue is that there are many other cases than that in 113 LL that are bad. I am positive that PLL as a set is better than 113 LL as a set.

Cases Line are 71.

 

[Deleted member 27249]

This seems to me far more complicated and less effective than just learning 4LLL. I’m not sure the total alg count, but it looks like it’s nearing the amount of 3LLL with full PLL

Fortunately for the step one it is not necessary to catalog all the existing cases.
I know 50 cases.
In a case OLL there are 4 case at the same time.
One Algo solve 4 cases.
In step Two 71 cases.

 

[Deleted member 27249]

This seems to me far more complicated and less effective than just learning 4LLL. I’m not sure the total alg count, but it looks like it’s nearing the amount of 3LLL with full PLL

Example:
With this Algo can solve a case OLL or 4 cases for create a case Line.

 

[ProStar]

Example:
With this Algo can solve a case OLL or 4 cases for create a case Line.

Yes, but 2LLL is less algs than your method, easier to recognize, and likely has better algs as well