4th Slot + oriented LL at the same time

[MAGIK]

ive been looking for method for LL that allows me to orients LL as you solve the 4th slot of f2l....is there such a thing?

 

[byu]

Yes, there are several.

Two are VHF2L and ZBF2L.

VHF2L is easier. Look up either one.

Note that these only orient the edges, not the corners.

 

[MAGIK]

ive heard of these...but never pursued them but i will now....i really wanted one that, as i insert the last f2l pair it would orient LL so that a simple PLL would finish it....are there any like that?

 

[Sa967St]

MGLS (message too short)

 

[MAGIK]

yea but i talked to ej about that and we agreed mgls is ALMOST like oll...what do you all think?

 

[MAGIK]

yea but i talked to ej about that and we agreed mgls is ALMOST like oll...what do you all think?

when i say that i mean like OLL in general

 

[Sa967St]

yea but i talked to ej about that and we agreed mgls is ALMOST like oll...what do you all think?

when i say that i mean like OLL in general

what do you mean?

 

[MAGIK]

its the same concept....i mean around the same amount of moves and the same result....meaning its remotely the same thing right?

 

[Unknown.soul]

No, it is not the same thing.

 

[MAGIK]

ok....i guess, w/e

 

[Sa967St]

its the same concept....i mean around the same amount of moves and the same result....meaning its remotely the same thing right?

not at all. MGLS involves placing the 2nd layer edge of the last slot while orienting the edges of the LL, then placing the 1st layer corner of the last slot while orienting the corners of the LL. OLL involving orienting all of the LL corners and edges at once after the 4th slot has been solved.

 

[MAGIK]

o well i guess i was confusing myself with methods....i dont know why but i always considered CLS and oll to be similar lol

 

[4Chan]

Oh yeah, i know what youre talking about.

Skipping oll with the last slot, summer (winter spring? one of those seasons) variation of F2l.

Hard to find i think, but i know it exists, there are quite a few algs.....

 

[Rubixcubematt]

Oh yeah, i know what youre talking about.

Skipping oll with the last slot, summer (winter spring? one of those seasons) variation of F2l.

Hard to find i think, but i know it exists, there are quite a few algs.....

no, it isnt. look on lucas' site.......

 

[DavidWoner]

Oh yeah, i know what youre talking about.

Skipping oll with the last slot, summer (winter spring? one of those seasons) variation of F2l.

Hard to find i think, but i know it exists, there are quite a few algs.....

no, it isnt. look on lucas' site.......

Winter's Variation is actually slight deviant of the MGLS subset where the target corner is permuted and oriented properly. This method also requires the LL edges to be oriented, so I think if you are going to go that far you may as well just do MGLS. the algs are here: http://pagesperso-orange.fr/absolutemind/f2ll-angl.htm

The full set of MGLS algs can be found here: http://cube.garron.us/MGLS/

 

[AvGalen]

If the topic starter is thinking about a system that does the last pair AND OLL at the same time he should just forget about it.
The last pair and just Edge-OLL already requires a huge amount of algs (or something more intuitive like VH)
The last pair + full OLL broken in 2 parts (MGLS) has already been mentioned

 

[brunson]

Yes, there are several.

Two are VHF2L and ZBF2L.

VHF2L is easier. Look up either one.

Note that these only orient the edges, not the corners.

VH is just a subset of ZB, it should really be considered a different method.

 

[Ordos_Koala]

if I may suggest, you could try ZZ-WV (ZZ winter variation) winter variation was metioned before and with ZZ you have already done edge orientation in first step so you don't have to worry about them at OLL

 

[RyanReese09]

if I may suggest, you could try ZZ-WV (ZZ winter variation) winter variation was metioned before and with ZZ you have already done edge orientation in first step so you don't have to worry about them at OLL

Thank you for bumping almost a 2 year old thread.

 

[Ordos_Koala]

oh, sry just looking around, didn't look at date... next time, I will