is doing wide d better than rotating?

[Skeam]

it seems like its so much better than rotating while f2l

 

[ruffleduck]

Wide d is the same as rotating

 

[CubeRed]

Well, depends on which side you value more. Fingertricks or efficiency. A wide d move usually involves a regrip. It has the potential to lockup or ruin the flow of a solve. But if you think about it efficiency wise a y Axis rotation can be the main factor. Long story short... it's complicated.

 

[qwr]

if you need to turn the U layer I guess

 

[hellocubers]

In my opinion, wide d is better than y.

 

[GenTheSnail]

I have the luxury of using the ZZ method, so for the vast majority of solves I don't need to deal with y rotations. The only difference between a wide D move and a y rotation is whether or not you hold onto the U layer while rotating. As such, I think a wide D move is only useful when it also sets up your following F2L pair, if even then-- y U isn't a bad combo either, and in some cases I'm sure it would get executed like a wide D move.

A wide d move usually involves a regrip. It has the potential to lockup or ruin the flow of a solve.

I think this is interesting-- are you insinuating that y rotations don't have regrips? But also, yes, a wide D move is an actual move and has the potential for a lock up while a rotation does not have the potential for a lock up. Though I think that because you don't maintain a hold onto the cube while rotating that it could potentially have a higher chance of being dropped-- but I don't think it occurs enough to warrant not using rotations.

But if you think about it efficiency wise a y Axis rotation can be the main factor.

A <y> rotation only affects efficiency in semantics (and even then, a <y> rotation could contribute to movecount depending on the metric). Pragmatically, your efficiency in HTM literally doesn't matter. You still did the action, whether or not it's recorded in HTM. For this reason, as a way to more accurately describe how many moves a solve took, some other metric's have been developed, namely (at least relevant to this situation) ETM and ATM.

• If you're using HTM (any outerblock turn done on a cube), both <d> and <y U> are 1 move.
• In ETM (everything is recorded as performed), <d> is 1 and <y U> is 2 moves.
• In ATM (any number of moves in the same axis count as one move) however, both <d> and <y U> are 1 move.

tl;dr
only use wide d if you need to cancel into the U move anyway, otherwise just rotate

 

[tx789]

Depends.

 

[joshisbored]

i like wide d in f2l and i dont need any regrips as i hold the cube kind of weirdly? but idk

 

[ProStar]

I have the luxury of using the ZZ method, so for the vast majority of solves I don't need to deal with y rotations. The only difference between a wide D move and a y rotation is whether or not you hold onto the U layer while rotating. As such, I think a wide D move is only useful when it also sets up your following F2L pair, if even then-- y U isn't a bad combo either, and in some cases I'm sure it would get executed like a wide D move.



I think this is interesting-- are you insinuating that y rotations don't have regrips? But also, yes, a wide D move is an actual move and has the potential for a lock up while a rotation does not have the potential for a lock up. Though I think that because you don't maintain a hold onto the cube while rotating that it could potentially have a higher chance of being dropped-- but I don't think it occurs enough to warrant not using rotations.


A <y> rotation only affects efficiency in semantics (and even then, a <y> rotation could contribute to movecount depending on the metric). Pragmatically, your efficiency in HTM literally doesn't matter. You still did the action, whether or not it's recorded in HTM. For this reason, as a way to more accurately describe how many moves a solve took, some other metric's have been developed, namely (at least relevant to this situation) ETM and ATM.

• If you're using HTM (any outerblock turn done on a cube), both <d> and <y U> are 1 move.
• In ETM (everything is recorded as performed), <d> is 1 and <y U> is 2 moves.
• In ATM (any number of moves in the same axis count as one move) however, both <d> and <y U> are 1 move.

tl;dr
only use wide d if you need to cancel into the U move anyway, otherwise just rotate

Completely agree with this. Unless it's cancelling a U move, just do the rotation

 

[abunickabhi]

Being able to do both is good.
Using either of them is situational and depends on your finger position.

Do not get biased towards just rotating or just doing wide d moves, keep your options flexible depending on your grip after executing the alg.