Mefferts 7x7 and Holey Cube!!!

[rahulkadukar]

Well if it does really turn smooth it is actually cheaper than a V6. I will buy it as there is free shipping too. Only hope it turns smooth

 

[Ton]

(meffert's 3x3 is also a ripoff)

So is the mf8 megaminx currently supplied Meffert's but at least he's licensed to make them, unlike the Void cube or V-Cube 7

So lets ask mefferts , before accusing, maybe there is an arrangement.....

 

[MichaelErskine]

So lets ask mefferts , before accusing, maybe there is an arrangement.....

We await some sort of statement from Mr Verdes and Mr Okamoto.

My disappointment with the mf8 minx still stands





I still love solving that minx though, dammit!

 

[Ton]

[email protected]

Well this email address does not work, I try the feedback form on the site...

 

[masterofthebass]

I asked Konstantinos, and he's not very happy... Let's just leave it at that.

 

[Pietersmieters]

777: The Price includes FREE shipping Via Airmail Worldwide.
and a 7% Royalty allowance for the rightful Inventor.

Holey cube: The Price includes FREE shipping Via Airmail Worldwide.
and a 7% Royalty allowance for the rightful Inventor.

from:http://mefferts.com/page.php?lang=en&theme=new_puzzle_release

So Verdes and the Japanese Void cube inventor are getting something after all?

 

[Ton]

777: The Price includes FREE shipping Via Airmail Worldwide.
and a 7% Royalty allowance for the rightful Inventor.

Holey cube: The Price includes FREE shipping Via Airmail Worldwide.
and a 7% Royalty allowance for the rightful Inventor.

from:http://mefferts.com/page.php?lang=en&theme=new_puzzle_release

So Verdes and the Japanese Void cube inventor are getting something after all?

Now I am not sure how this works, the email address [email protected] is not working. It does not feel good....I have my concerns, thats why I ask mefferts via its feedback
form on the mefferts site...

Tony Fisher worked with Mefferts so he knows how it works

 

[AvGalen]

I asked Konstantinos, and he's not very happy... Let's just leave it at that.

Let's not leave it at that. Because if he would just be "not very happy" that would mean he is not going to pursue the legal route ("not being happy" is not really grounds for an injunction)

And many people are now wondering if it would be legal to purchase these cubes AND if they might actually be better than the originals.

Verdes should post an official statement on his site

 

[MichaelErskine]

I'm sure there's enough fuel here to start an entire new forum for morally-dubious-but-perhaps-cheaper-and-perhaps-technically-superior-but-only-if--I-can-use-my-Type-A-screws-and-springs puzzles

If nothing else, this interesting twist of Meffert's getting "down with the pirates" has given us plenty to gossip about.

 

[Odin]

I think the V -Cube company is going to start dying now. Their monopoly is over.

 

[masterofthebass]

Verdes should post an official statement on his site

Due to legal reasons, I don't think he can.





I've got this from a "trusted source"

I don't know if you know this , but Mefferts is a thief.
For more than 4 years was trying to take the items to copy them.

He was blackmaling us all the time with newsletters etc

Before two months I was in HK and I saw that he don't even have a production center.
Some families in China produce for him without any safety inspection or ISO.
in some nasty places with homeless people assembling...
there Tony's designs are produced.
in the places that clones are produced by the same people who violating the Intl laws
I can give you some few websites.
to see what I mean
www.qunjia.net.cn

and imagine that his main adverisement is that he is the manufacturer.

also there is no company in the adress that give to all of his e-mails in Aberdeen Hong Kong
his company is in Shenzhen-China , but he hide that from everyone.

and now he has the audacity to sell puzzles and the tells nasty lies about reverse engineering.

But I am sure that someone else is hiding behind him...

 

[Ethan Rosen]

As much as I usually love and support Mefferts, I STRONGLY disagree with this decision and I honestly hope he doesn't go through with this.
Sigh, its always sad to see someone you trust start doing illegal and morally wrong things.

Also, for those of you saying that its fine because the inventors get 7%, that really is absolutely nothing. Thats a loss of 93% because someone decided they were above the law.

I know that some idiots who lack morals see this as a great thing and will gladly buy these, but I hope that respectful people will not buy these.

PS: This is not just bad for verdes, this is bad for all of us too! Copyright laws exist partly to give an incentive to make new things. Every one of these that someone buys reduces the chance that we will ever see a v-4, v-3, v-8, or anything else.

 

[rachmaninovian]

mmmm...with mefferts selling mf8 megaminxes...means that those dealextreme 4x4s and 5x5s with tiles are probably what we buy from mefferts! I am so going to stock on the 4x4s as I slowly kill them one by one...

 

[AvGalen]

Thats a loss of 93%

No, it really isn't. Verdes cannot magically create V-Cubes out of thin air so he has production, transport, marketing, personal and many other costs that he doesn't have when someone else sells it for him. 7% sounds too low for a product with that much research and such a small target market but it is realistic enough to maybe get Verdes not to sue.

I am surprised that Mefferts started doing this and I really question the legallity of this all, but I think Verdes will decide not to sue

And there is no reason Verdes couldn't post an official statement on his website. He would have to be careful with the wording of it though

 

[Ton]

I think we all should start to think where and how products are produced, is it a fair product? Are the people making it exploited? I never did this, I think it is a good to to start change my behavior....

Ton

btw will not happen overnight....

 

[SimonWestlund]

I wonder why I didn't get that newsletter..

 

[Dirk BerGuRK]

I dislike Verdes anyway. I asked nicely for a replacement piece for my V7 and got ignored...

Second. I tried to contact them for a puzzle that arrived broken with no luck. I'd buy a Mefferts. I have been very pleased with his service in the past.

 

[Erik]

I think mefferts are just using V-cubes to make themselves better from it. I like mefferts for the puzzles they sell, but to sell cloned cubes like V-cubes is over the line in my opinion. I'll never buy it ever.

 

[JTW2007]

I like mefferts for the puzzles they sell, but to sell cloned cubes like V-cubes is over the line in my opinion. I'll never buy it ever.

Well said. I agree.

As for the void, do we know if it's the same mechanism or not?

 

[ExoCorsair]

PS: This is not just bad for verdes, this is bad for all of us too! Copyright laws exist partly to give an incentive to make new things. Every one of these that someone buys reduces the chance that we will ever see a v-4, v-3, v-8, or anything else.

So I take it that you'd rather see monopolies? Let's have more goods and services that are supplied by single firms, right?

I'm all for this; more competition means more consumer choices and also cheaper products for us. We, as cubers (especially poorer cubers), benefit.

Also, you fail to justify your conclusion; you instead jump to it. Besides, if you need a high quality cube to set fast times, then, you just need to get faster at cubing, period.