Davepencilguin
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Can anyone post a link to the files talked about in the yahoo forum?
best BLD method
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joey
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Yes, i noticed there seemed to be no file either.
But, you can check daniel's site: http://dbeyer.110mb.com
But, you can check daniel's site: http://dbeyer.110mb.com
AvGalen
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I couldn't find them here: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/blindfoldsolving-rubiks-cube/files/
Davepencilguin
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There are plenty of algorithms, but it's sorta hard to make since of them all...
These definitely proved me wrong:
!M Block L'U'LF2R'DR'D'R2F2
-M Block L'ULUL'U'LFL'U'LULF'L'
+M Block y'RU'R'U'RUR'F'RUR'U'R'FRy
I guess corner orientation IS possible.
That and this:
R' F R F2 U F R U R' F' U' F
are exceptionally helpful.
Stefan
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Um, I think two.
Davepencilguin
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Your solving one edge piece and one corner piece completely.
As in, your orienting and permuting one corner piece and one edge piece.
As in, your orienting and permuting one corner piece and one edge piece.
Davepencilguin
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Ok, I did the math:
11 edges permuted
with 2 different orientations
7 corners permuted
with 3 different orientations
so, 11 x 7 x 2 x 3 = 462 setup "algorithms"
I'm thinking it would be better to figure them all out now and memorize them rather than figure them out during the solve. It's kind of like memorizing F2L rather than doing it intuitively. Though there are quite a bit more of them.
11 edges permuted
with 2 different orientations
7 corners permuted
with 3 different orientations
so, 11 x 7 x 2 x 3 = 462 setup "algorithms"
I'm thinking it would be better to figure them all out now and memorize them rather than figure them out during the solve. It's kind of like memorizing F2L rather than doing it intuitively. Though there are quite a bit more of them.
joey
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To be honest, I dont think the speed gain actualy is worth learn 462 setups.
Davepencilguin
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I'm thinking so also.
I'm thinking doing a 1 step blindfolded solve would be similar to learning all 1211 last layer algorithms. It's just not worth it. (even though 462 isn't as much as 1211)
Orienting edges while permuting edges and corners would have 154 setups.
Orienting and permuting edges, then orienting and permuting corners would have 43 setups.
I'm thinking doing a 1 step blindfolded solve would be similar to learning all 1211 last layer algorithms. It's just not worth it. (even though 462 isn't as much as 1211)
Orienting edges while permuting edges and corners would have 154 setups.
Orienting and permuting edges, then orienting and permuting corners would have 43 setups.
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You can decrease the setup moves to (11*7=)77 by not paying attention to the orientation of the pieces and learn a few algorithms (2*3=6) to handle the different orientations.
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hdskull
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guys, u know, matyas solves in around 40 seconds, that's around how fast leyan and tyson solves. it's just whatever method matyas uses requires less/easier memorization, or he just has good memory. i think the memorization time is the only difference.
AvGalen
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Not true:
Leyan and Tyson do about 30+60 (memo, execution)
Mátyás does about 15+40
Leyan and Tyson do about 30+60 (memo, execution)
Mátyás does about 15+40
joey
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Arnaud: I think those numbers are actually slightly off.
I think Leyan and Tyson are more like 40+50(memo, execution)
Or maybe even 45+45.
I think Leyan and Tyson are more like 40+50(memo, execution)
Or maybe even 45+45.
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And neither one of them averages 1:30, at least not in official competitions.
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On this solve you are right: about 45+45. As you can see his execution was almost perfect.
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I still think it's worthwhile to note that Rowe Hessler is doing almost as well as Mátyás (unofficially, for the moment), and he claims to be using Macky's method in pure form. From speedcubing.com, posted just a few days ago:
"51.28 seconds Rowe Hessler louie scrambled my cube, 15 second memo...training for world champs 07...i got a 56.88 and a 52.58 so far today...purely macky's method- cubefreak.net"
I doubt Rowe will ever be as fast as Mátyás, but he's surprisingly close, and with memorization times that rival Mátyás's. So I really don't think the method makes a very big difference.
In fact, Mátyás seems to have so much general cubing talent, has it occurred to you that maybe he's actually being held back by his method? Maybe if he used Macky's method, he'd get even faster!?!
"51.28 seconds Rowe Hessler louie scrambled my cube, 15 second memo...training for world champs 07...i got a 56.88 and a 52.58 so far today...purely macky's method- cubefreak.net"
I doubt Rowe will ever be as fast as Mátyás, but he's surprisingly close, and with memorization times that rival Mátyás's. So I really don't think the method makes a very big difference.
In fact, Mátyás seems to have so much general cubing talent, has it occurred to you that maybe he's actually being held back by his method? Maybe if he used Macky's method, he'd get even faster!?!
joey
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The method does make a difference, because with pochmann I find it very difficult to get sub60 execution times, if ever. Whereas if I use some sort of cycle based method, i can drop maybve 10-20s times. For me, that can mean that difference between 2mins and sub2. So in my eyes, I believe sub2 with pochmann is relatively difficult, even if I have come close several times.
AvGalen
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Good point Mike. Everyone seems to to accept Mátyás as the "master of blindfolded" and at the moment he definately is.
But don't forget that it was only a couple of months ago (Belgian Open 2007) that he set his world record of 1:20.30 and 7/7 in 21:59. He didn't get the 4x4x4_bf and 5x5x5_bf records back then.
Then he did 5/5 in 16 minutes which is about the same as 7/7 in 21:59 at the German Open.
At the Czech Open he made some big improvements to all his blindfolded results: 5/5 in 9:31, 6:39 for 4x4x4, 10:05 for 5x5x5 and 55 seconds (twice) on 3x3x3.
His final performance at the Swedish Open was by no means "bad", especially considering his 8/8 WR, but his times were not as impressive as at the Czech Open.
At the same time the competition has gotten much better, especially Rowe Hessler (sub 60 unofficially) and Ryosuke Mondo (11/12).
I think that if all great blindfolders come to the WC next month, Mátiás will have a very hard time winning all blindfolded events, especially if you take the extra pressure and his age into consideration.
I think Mátyás has taken blindfolded to a whole new level this year, but he is not the only one on that level (anymore).
But don't forget that it was only a couple of months ago (Belgian Open 2007) that he set his world record of 1:20.30 and 7/7 in 21:59. He didn't get the 4x4x4_bf and 5x5x5_bf records back then.
Then he did 5/5 in 16 minutes which is about the same as 7/7 in 21:59 at the German Open.
At the Czech Open he made some big improvements to all his blindfolded results: 5/5 in 9:31, 6:39 for 4x4x4, 10:05 for 5x5x5 and 55 seconds (twice) on 3x3x3.
His final performance at the Swedish Open was by no means "bad", especially considering his 8/8 WR, but his times were not as impressive as at the Czech Open.
At the same time the competition has gotten much better, especially Rowe Hessler (sub 60 unofficially) and Ryosuke Mondo (11/12).
I think that if all great blindfolders come to the WC next month, Mátiás will have a very hard time winning all blindfolded events, especially if you take the extra pressure and his age into consideration.
I think Mátyás has taken blindfolded to a whole new level this year, but he is not the only one on that level (anymore).
