Older cubers discussions

[newtonbase]

Noah calls that a keystone. If you have a really strong image for the first pair, it helps recall the rest. I vaguely recall reading someone recently say that for multi or big blind they memo a separate scene with just the keystone images from all the rest of their memo. As long as they remember the keystone scene, they have a good chance of recovering any other part of their memo.

I'll bet that works but is it worth the extra time it would take? It's probably good for people at 6 or under as the time limit is less of a problem.

 

[pglewis]

So close and illustrates you have everything down, @Jason Green. Every single success is still worth a fist pump for me but that first one was special.

 

[pglewis]

I did a few timed solves to avoid getting rusty and missed my PB Ao12 by .01 after I got warmed up. Should have beat it but for a DNF :24 over a rare E perm fail. I definitely need to keep up on my OLLs a little more but otherwise nice to still see slow progress continue just via osmosis.

 

[mark49152]

I'll bet that works but is it worth the extra time it would take? It's probably good for people at 6 or under as the time limit is less of a problem.

I haven't tried it and mentioned it only for interest. Personally I would spend the extra time hardening the original memo, but it might be worth a try for anyone who frequently has problems with recall.

 

[mafergut]

Congrats to @Jason Green for your first BLD success or close to it. I also remember my first success (with OP corners & edges). When you open your eyes and see the cube all solved it's like... what?!? Sadly I did not persevere. Later on, like 1 year ago I learned M2, pushed by the worderful guys in this thread and was having my 1st successes with it below 10min... but again I did not persevere. I understand what you say, it is hard to retain the memo for that long so, it can only get easier with practise as you need to keep your memo for less and less time It's a lot of fun, though, so... go for it!

By the way, I beat my 4x4 PB Ao5. Got it down from 1:08.19 to 1:07.30 so I am not losing my mojo after all!

And... I couldn't resist and bought a WuQue M + WuShuang M from these Spanish guys I told you about. They had a special price for getting both so... Stickerless of course. 78.50 € includding shipping is not a bad deal, or is it?

 

[Shaky Hands]

While we were waiting for everybody to show up, @Shaky Hands just stopped Feliks to ask about his dad (I bet that's not what usually people stop Feliks for) but unluckily he didn't made it to the photo.

I think this was @Logiqx rather than me.

Thanks for all your updates. Great competition report in multiple installments!

 

[newtonbase]

I think this was @Logiqx rather than me.

Thanks for all your updates. Great competition report in multiple installments!

I think that was me actually.

 

[Shaky Hands]

I think that was me actually.

Well if I can't tell the difference between people, there's no point me trying to be fully colour-neutral.

 

[Jason Green]

I wrote this first part yesterday but didn't post it:
I told you people don't blind talk a lot... Here I go.

A few more attempts today mostly garbage. I think almost exclusively it's wrong memo. I remember what I want (I think) but I'm just getting the won't sticker somewhere along the way. The last one I didn't even feel like analyzing completely.

Maybe I should do some more corners only and edges only practice? I'm so anxious to get a success now that I was close though.

Today:
Please help me with these corners! I don't understand what to do.
R2 F2 U' R2 B2 U2 B2 D2 U' F L B L' D2 F2 U R U2 B' F2
I get:
XF GN JK
Then all I have left is the buffer piece in the O spot. Normally you skip the buffer when you get to it but... I'm missing something.

Edit: Sorry duh, you have to do the letter that moves to the buffer, so I just have to finish with an O.

 

[mark49152]

Please help me with these corners! I don't understand what to do.
R2 F2 U' R2 B2 U2 B2 D2 U' F L B L' D2 F2 U R U2 B' F2
I get:
XF GN JK
Then all I have left is the buffer piece in the O spot. Normally you skip the buffer when you get to it but... I'm missing something.

You have to solve O. Then you stop because your buffer piece will now have been swapped into the buffer position.

Regarding the failures, my advice would be to solve sighted until you're comfortable with your method. That way you can see what's going wrong and when.

 

[bubbagrub]

Please help me with these corners! I don't understand what to do.
R2 F2 U' R2 B2 U2 B2 D2 U' F L B L' D2 F2 U R U2 B' F2
I get:
XF GN JK
Then all I have left is the buffer piece in the O spot. Normally you skip the buffer when you get to it but... I'm missing something.

I make the memo as you have it:
XF GN JK O

That means you have parity (and you should have an odd number of edge targets too).

 

[Jason Green]

Thanks guys, I saw my mistake right after I posted.

Mark what I had been doing was an attempt with a scramble I know, then when I fail I go through it sighted to see what went wrong. That way I get a chance for a real success, but also can learn from it. Is that reasonable?

I'm going to do a few more rounds of corners and edges separate though.

 

[newtonbase]

Mark what I had been doing was an attempt with a scramble I know, then when I fail I go through it sighted to see what went wrong. That way I get a chance for a real success, but also can learn from it. Is that reasonable?

The only issue here is if you completely screw up then you'll not be able to work it out though that's usually an early execution error (or maybe recall). It is a good way of spotting memo errors though.
I do like sighted solves early on. You can still do them from memo or even do unsighted but check after each pair which I'm doing for comms and for 4BLD.

 

[mark49152]

Mark what I had been doing was an attempt with a scramble I know, then when I fail I go through it sighted to see what went wrong. That way I get a chance for a real success, but also can learn from it. Is that reasonable?

Yeah it's all reasonable. It's only a hobby so whatever gives you most fun .

 

[Jason Green]

Yeah it's all reasonable. It's only a hobby so whatever gives you most fun .

Of course, but I want your personal money back guarantee which way will produce the most fun.

The only issue here is if you completely screw up then you'll not be able to work it out though that's usually an early execution error (or maybe recall). It is a good way of spotting memo errors though.
I do like sighted solves early on. You can still do them from memo or even do unsighted but check after each pair which I'm doing for comms and for 4BLD.

My first couple tries I think I was a bit lucky being able to see the error because it was only memo. But now I'm branching out into all sorts of random errors and you are right, it's hard to tell what I did wrong. I think I like this idea, do full memo but check after each pair.

 

[pglewis]

You're gonna get one Jason, you already missed by just one wrong sticker. It's a lot of things initially: a letter scheme to get used to, tracking cycles without enough fingers, coming up with images for your pairs, and that's all before execution even starts. Might be the next one, might be 10 more failures from now, but you're gonna get one.

 

[Jason Green]

Success!! I scared my five year old when I opened my eyes because I clapped and yelled "YES!!"

R2 U2 F L2 F R2 B R2 B2 D F' U' L B R' D' F' U F'

Edges:
COFD SHD XN QP KG

Corners:
XM GI TV N

Weird thing is I was having trouble with images on edges so I basically did audio I guess you would call it?
Coughed shed XN QP Kevin Garnett (he plays for the Celtics, or maybe he got traded I don't keep up)

For the XN QP I was actually recalling visually looking at the locations during memo. I am assuming that can be an aid in recalling memo at times, I had never thought of that.

Corners were trivial, although I had to review after spending ages checking edge memo.
XM (like the radio) GI (as in army) TV (television) N (TVN together reminded me of TBN the religious Network, so sound was easy)

Probably about 24 minutes. This post reminds me I never reconstructed my last two 3x3 PBs.

 

[newtonbase]

Success!! I scared my five year old when I opened my eyes because I clapped and yelled "YES!!"

R2 U2 F L2 F R2 B R2 B2 D F' U' L B R' D' F' U F'

Edges:
COFD SHD XN QP KG

Corners:
XM GI TV N

Weird thing is I was having trouble with images on edges so I basically did audio I guess you would call it?
Coughed shed XN QP Kevin Garnett (he plays for the Celtics, or maybe he got traded I don't keep up)

For the XN QP I was actually recalling visually looking at the locations during memo. I am assuming that can be an aid in recalling memo at times, I had never thought of that.

Corners were trivial, although I had to review after spending ages checking edge memo.
XM (like the radio) GI (as in army) TV (television) N (TVN together reminded me of TBN the religious Network, so sound was easy)

Probably about 24 minutes. This post reminds me I never reconstructed my last two 3x3 PBs.

Congratulations. It hasn't taken you long at all. I still think that my first blind solve is my best achievement in cubing.
Visual memory like you describe was pretty common a few years ago but you won't need it once you get used to audio.
Those edges would use all my audio tricks - CHO FaD SiNG DiSH NeaTH PicK Gambit.

 

[Jason Green]

I tried to stream the solution just to show my friends on FB (mainly non cuber friends). I tried it 2.5 times and got it. Watching me get confused with the scramble around 10 minutes is funny, it reminds me of watching old videos of me solving when every F2L took deep thought. Haha

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10159073935375425

 

[Jason Green]

Congratulations. It hasn't taken you long at all. I still think that my first blind solve is my best achievement in cubing.
Visual memory like you describe was pretty common a few years ago but you won't need it once you get used to audio.
Those edges would use all my audio tricks - CHO FaD SiNG DiSH NeaTH PicK Gambit.

Can you explain those audio tricks? Like is NeaTH for XN? I can't follow that. Is it just something that works for your brain or is there an explanation I could grasp?

Edit: BTW, I don't know what I would say my greatest accomplishment is (not like I've accomplished anything amazing). I think the single moment that has stuck with me is my first sub 20 solve though. Up until that point it seemed so impossible.