Multi Blindfolded at Paris World Championship

[YouCubing]

@the few messages before me
i've gotten results that i didn't really deserve before (1.63 pyra single and 4.07 skewb average come to mind) and it definitely didn't feel like i had accomplished anything, mainly since the scrambles were stupidly easy. i've podiumed in MBLD with 1 point and i didn't feel like i deserved it, and i know someone who's won with 0. people got really angry that christian kaserer got the 2x2 WR single a while back, because nobody had heard of him until then.

tl;dr: no not everyone technically "deserves" their results, if they get lucky scrambles or everyone else does badly, if they haven't put a lot of effort into it.

 

[Douf]

your argument is good and I think Shivam is very good but I was saying it doesn't reward people who can solve more cubes blindfolded but I dont really care

He solved more but he also got more wrong, too.

 

[applezfall]

I think something happened to Ollie, maybe he got cursed and he can only say "that's a paddlin'".

Yea lol idk what a paddlin even is

 

[Tabe]

To use a non-cubing example, take Steven Bradbury's gold medal at the 2002 Winter Olympics. He was in no way a contender to win, but by a little accident that caused everyone who was faster than him and probably more deserved of the gold medal, he ended winning. He didn't deserve to win, but he did. It is what it is.

Not crashing is a skill, too. Bradbury intentionally hung back with the expectation his opponents would crash. He was right. He 100% deserved that win.

 

[uyneb2000]

Not crashing is a skill, too. Bradbury intentionally hung back with the expectation his opponents would crash. He was right. He 100% deserved that win.

That's actually a good point, but there's definitely that feeling that there were people who probably deserved it more if it were not for the crash. But yeah, I do agree with you there.

 

[Tabe]

That's actually a good point, but there's definitely that feeling that there were people who probably deserved it more if it were not for the crash. But yeah, I do agree with you there.

Nobody questions whether the winner of the Indy 500 or Daytona "deserves" to win after other guys crash. Same thing here.

 

[uyneb2000]

Nobody questions whether the winner of the Indy 500 or Daytona "deserves" to win after other guys crash. Same thing here.

I do agree with you on that, what I'm saying is that there's always that lingering feeling of "what could've been" if there was no crash, if you understand what I'm saying.

 

[JustinTimeCuber]

I know but in mbld people want to see who can solve the most cubes blindfolded so why should the person who solves 37 cubes win just cause he does less cube,but the person who does 40 cubes is consider worse because he tries more cubes.WHY?

If I just go for 10 sextillion cubes, and do a handscramble to each one without even memorizing them, statistically speaking I should have 231 cubes solved.

 

[applezfall]

If I just go for 10 sextillion cubes, and do a handscramble to each one without even memorizing them, statistically speaking I should have 231 cubes solved.

1.you dont have 10 sextillion cubes
2.231 cubes will take more than 1 hour and you probably couldn't get even 1/8 of them

 

[turtwig]

1.you dont have 10 sextillion cubes
2.231 cubes will take more than 1 hour and you probably couldn't get even 1/8 of them

The point still stands. If it were just how many cubes were solved, everyone would just attempt with all the cubes they owned to get a tiny advantage. Not only would that be a nightmare for the scramblers, it's not really what we want. I guess people a few years ago decided that they wanted to see accuracy and people attempting numbers that they can actually realistically do. I guess you could argue for only number of cubes solved, but at this point no one really cares to change the format and I doubt we ever will, so you're out of luck.

 

[applezfall]

The point still stands. If it were just how many cubes were solved, everyone would just attempt with all the cubes they owned to get a tiny advantage. Not only would that be a nightmare for the scramblers, it's not really what we want. I guess people a few years ago decided that they wanted to see accuracy and people attempting numbers that they can actually realistically do. I guess you could argue for only number of cubes solved, but at this point no one really cares to change the format and I doubt we ever will, so you're out of luck.

yeah you are right but you can argue both ways

 

[Christopher Cabrera]

yeah you are right but you can argue both ways

most memory sports outside of cubing reward accuracy over volume. In some disciplines one mistake is enough to invalidate an entire attempt. I like the way the current multi system is setup because it values humility and discipline over flashiness.

 

[Rcuber123]

If I just go for 10 sextillion cubes, and do a handscramble to each one without even memorizing them, statistically speaking I should have 231 cubes solved.

Out of 10 sextillion cubes 231 would already be solved

 

[I_<3_SCS]

That's actually a good point, but there's definitely that feeling that there were people who probably deserved it more if it were not for the crash. But yeah, I do agree with you there.

Strategy matters a lot. You don't always have to be the best to win (or "deserve" it).

For Mbld, attempting fewer cubes but knowing you can get close to all solved is a strategic move.

Only a weak-minded person would mistake being lucky for being fraudulent.

 

[turtwig]

Out of 10 sextillion cubes 231 would already be solved

If the cubes were in a random state, then yes, but the scrambles generated for competitions need a minimum of 2 moves away from being solved (although I heard that whatever they use to generate the scrambles actually makes the minimum 13), so it would be impossible to actually receive a solved cube (though a lot of them probably could be 1-looked).

 

[Christopher Cabrera]

(though a lot of them probably could be 1-looked).

all BLD solves are one looks

 

[Alex B71]

Useless? Don't trash on Maskow because he didn't break the WR. He set that years ago at a time when 30+ was considered a godly achievement. He's the best to ever do it. (Yeah for some reason i did take the title a little personally)

 

[turtwig]

Useless? Don't trash on Maskow because he didn't break the WR. He set that years ago at a time when 30+ was considered a godly achievement. He's the best to ever do it. (Yeah for some reason i did take the title a little personally)

Haha, the title 'useless' is referring to the uselessness of this thread, not Maskow. The original title for this thread was something silly like 'NOO Maskow lost MBLD WHYYY!', and a lot of people were criticizing the creator of the thread as the thread was pretty useless, so I guess someone changed the title.

 

[Alex B71]

Haha, the title 'useless' is referring to the uselessness of this thread, not Maskow. The original title for this thread was something silly like 'NOO Maskow lost MBLD WHYYY!', and a lot of people were criticizing the creator of the thread as the thread was pretty useless, so I guess someone changed the title.

Ahh, i see. Well my point still stands........... the point i am weirdly in love with Maskow.

 

[Douf]

Nobody questions whether the winner of the Indy 500 or Daytona "deserves" to win after other guys crash. Same thing here.

But I don't think they were hanging back with the racing strategy of 'expecting everyone ahead of them to crash'. I'm pretty sure not a single professional or even amateur athlete in the world competes with that strategy in mind. Yes the speedskater earned the win, but he certainly did not deserve it.