A couple of questions

[bananapoopking]

I have my first comp in 2 months but they don't have 2x2 or pryminx (my other two good WCA events/cubes)
They do have OH and 4x4 and I'm interested in learning them.

I know how to OH but it's BAD. I just don't get how to do U' and R' and Middle slices. Can u give me tips and maybe a link?

I can already solve 4x4 but my time isn't great.
For 4x4 I need a fast and easy to learn method to get me under a minute. Any method/tips?

 

[obelisk477]

I have my first comp in 2 months but they don't have 2x2 or pryminx (my other two good WCA events/cubes)
They do have OH and 4x4 and I'm interested in learning them.

I know how to OH but it's BAD. I just don't get how to do U' and R' and Middle slices. Can u give me tips and maybe a link?

I can already solve 4x4 but my time isn't great.
For 4x4 I need a fast and easy to learn method to get me under a minute. Any method/tips?

what do you average on 3x3

 

[newtonbase]

I know how to OH but it's BAD. I just don't get how to do U' and R' and Middle slices. Can u give me tips and maybe a link

For single layer moves you just need to practice pushing layers with the back of your nail or with you fingertips. Youtube will help. M slices are hard so either replace with something like r, R' or hold it against the table. Again, practice and YouTube.

I can already solve 4x4 but my time isn't great.
For 4x4 I need a fast and easy to learn method to get me under a minute. Any method/tips?

Look up Hoya and Yau methods.

 

[DGCubes]

I have my first comp in 2 months but they don't have 2x2 or pryminx (my other two good WCA events/cubes)
They do have OH and 4x4 and I'm interested in learning them.

I know how to OH but it's BAD. I just don't get how to do U' and R' and Middle slices. Can u give me tips and maybe a link?

I can already solve 4x4 but my time isn't great.
For 4x4 I need a fast and easy to learn method to get me under a minute. Any method/tips?

What cubes are you using? Some cubes are really hard to use for OH, especially for beginners, because of their size. If you don't have one already, I'd recommend any type of smaller cube (the Valk3, mini AoLong, 50 or 55mm ZhanChi, or the mini ShuangRen, to name a few).

For 4x4, personally I'd recommend learning Yau with 3-2-3 edges. If you do decide to learn Yau over Hoya, make sure to use 3-2-3 edges, as it'll help your times a lot. As far as hardware, the QiYi WuQue is a really great 4x4 that I'd recommend if you don't already have a good one that you like.

 

[bananapoopking]

What cubes are you using? Some cubes are really hard to use for OH, especially for beginners, because of their size. If you don't have one already, I'd recommend any type of smaller cube (the Valk3, mini AoLong, 50 or 55mm ZhanChi, or the mini ShuangRen, to name a few).

For 4x4, personally I'd recommend learning Yau with 3-2-3 edges. If you do decide to learn Yau over Hoya, make sure to use 3-2-3 edges, as it'll help your times a lot. As far as hardware, the QiYi WuQue is a really great 4x4 that I'd recommend if you don't already have a good one that you like.

I'm using a Gans air right now for my OH, I'll see if I can get one of those... Thanks
For 4x4 I'll take a look into Yau 3-2-3

Thanks for all of the tips!

 

[DGCubes]

I'm using a Gans air right now for my OH, I'll see if I can get one of those... Thanks
For 4x4 I'll take a look into Yau 3-2-3

Thanks for all of the tips!

Yeah, and just to make it a little more clear: the cubes I mentioned are only necessary if you feel like the size of your current cube is inhibiting your turning. It's possible that you have big hands and can turn perfectly fine on a Gan Air, but it's just as possible that the size is slowing down your times. I'd look into those cubes only if you think size is an issue.

 

[Tycubing]

Phil Yu and Antoine Cantan made good videos showing how to do good OH turning.

 

[One Wheel]

For 4x4 I need a fast and easy to learn method to get me under a minute. Any method/tips?

You realize that just 12 years ago the world record single was over 1:00, right? And it took another year to get the world record average sub-1:00. That's really fast. I've been working on 4x4 for about a year now and I average between 1:50 and 1:55.

 

[Ksh13]

You realize that just 12 years ago the world record single was over 1:00, right? And it took another year to get the world record average sub-1:00. That's really fast. I've been working on 4x4 for about a year now and I average between 1:50 and 1:55.

I'm struggling to see in what part of this post you actually answer his question. He wasn't asking how hard getting sub-1 is, or when the WR became sub-1, he was asking for what method he should look into if he was aiming for sub-1, and tips on achieving it.

 

[CubingBanana]

For 4x4, start with reduction, then after some weeks, learn yau with 3-2-3

 

[One Wheel]

I'm struggling to see in what part of this post you actually answer his question. He wasn't asking how hard getting sub-1 is, or when the WR became sub-1, he was asking for what method he should look into if he was aiming for sub-1, and tips on achieving it.

I saw he was looking for a "fast and easy to learn method to get under a minute." My point is that sub-1 isn't easy, and getting there isn't fast. I wasn't answering his question, I was suggesting he temper his expectations.

 

[WACWCA]

You realize that just 12 years ago the world record single was over 1:00, right? And it took another year to get the world record average sub-1:00. That's really fast. I've been working on 4x4 for about a year now and I average between 1:50 and 1:55.

you also realize that the current World record average is sub 26, so sub 1 is over twice as slow as WR, and like 1/4 of the people who compete in 4x4 have a sub 1 average, its not unreasonable for cubers to achieve this anymore

 

[One Wheel]

you also realize that the current World record average is sub 26, so sub 1 is over twice as slow as WR, and like 1/4 of the people who compete in 4x4 have a sub 1 average, its not unreasonable for cubers to achieve this anymore

Techniques and especially hardware have improved, and sub-1 is very attainable. My point is that it still takes a lot of work, and if you have a competition coming up you're probably not going to learn 4x4 and get sub-1 in that time. I may have misunderstood the original post, and if that's the case I'm sorry, although I maintain that if your goal is to get sub-1 on 4x4 ease of learning the method ought to be one of the last considerations, certainly behind effectiveness of the method.

 

[bananapoopking]

Techniques and especially hardware have improved, and sub-1 is very attainable. My point is that it still takes a lot of work, and if you have a competition coming up you're probably not going to learn 4x4 and get sub-1 in that time. I may have misunderstood the original post, and if that's the case I'm sorry, although I maintain that if your goal is to get sub-1 on 4x4 ease of learning the method ought to be one of the last considerations, certainly behind effectiveness of the method.

Alright then... I have 3ish months for my comp... How fast can I get my 4x4 time down to? (assuming I put an average amount of work into it)
I know this is really hard to do and might not be very accurate, but if you had to put a time on it, how fast could my time be on 4x4 in 3 months with a normal amount of work put into it?

 

[mark49152]

Alright then... I have 3ish months for my comp... How fast can I get my 4x4 time down to? (assuming I put an average amount of work into it)
I know this is really hard to do and might not be very accurate, but if you had to put a time on it, how fast could my time be on 4x4 in 3 months with a normal amount of work put into it?

Just go for it. Obviously it depends on talent and practice. Just make sure you're practising well, and put some thought into how you approach it. Meaning, figure out what improvements would make the biggest difference to your times, and focus your practice time on those.

 

[One Wheel]

Alright then... I have 3ish months for my comp... How fast can I get my 4x4 time down to? (assuming I put an average amount of work into it)
I know this is really hard to do and might not be very accurate, but if you had to put a time on it, how fast could my time be on 4x4 in 3 months with a normal amount of work put into it?

It all depends. I practiced for about 2 months last spring trying to get down to the 1:30 soft cut for a competition. I started out between 3:00 and 3:30, and by the end of the 2 months and 1,000+ solves I think I was averaging about 2:05-2:10. My impression is that I have a somewhat below average level of talent when it comes to speed cubing. I think you can probably, assuming you're average and work hard, get to about 1:30-1:40 in the time you have. There are probably a very few exceptionally talented people who could get to sub-1 in that time, and if that includes you I tip my hat and apologize for my skepticism. Good luck, and happy speedcubing!

 

[pipkiksass]

Alright then... I have 3ish months for my comp... How fast can I get my 4x4 time down to? (assuming I put an average amount of work into it)
I know this is really hard to do and might not be very accurate, but if you had to put a time on it, how fast could my time be on 4x4 in 3 months with a normal amount of work put into it?

I've been doing 4x4 since late October, so almost 4 months, and after not doing much for the past month, I picked it up again yesterday and got a 1:13 Ao12.

Use good tutorials and solid techniques from the start, not beginners methods/reduction, and there's no reason you couldn't be sub-1 in 3 months, with a reasonable amount of work. I use Yau with 6-2-3, and 1/2 centres, following Cyoubix, Cubing World (Jacob Hutnyk's) tutorials. Happy to find vids and share links if you want them?

I'm pretty confident that, if I'd dedicated more time and cared more, I could've been pushing sub-1 in 3 months. A lot will depend on finding a method that works for you, and also how fast you are at 3x3, but the only limits are those you impose yourself!

Definitely sub-1:30, anything else is a bonus!!!


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