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moralsh
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Just got back from my 7th comp this year bad results overall except 3x3 where I did a 19.78 average in the first round and a 19.42 in the second, both on video, I'll edit soon.
Logiqx
Veteran
2x2 is a funny event. My first session since the competition in Guildford...
Best of all: 1.507
Best Avg of 5: 3.602
Best Avg of 12: 4.843
Best Avg of 50: 5.677
Best Avg of 100: 5.842
Best of all: 1.507
Best Avg of 5: 3.602
Best Avg of 12: 4.843
Best Avg of 50: 5.677
Best Avg of 100: 5.842
pipkiksass
Veteran
Awesome. My favourite is the sticker bat!
Things are going good, thanks very much. Got 4 hours in hospital tomorrow sat in a depressing room with loads of other people sat being depressed... and worst of all, can't cube! Sick people don't like noise, apparently. This one time someone burst into tears and kept crying for about an hour. I didn't know where to look. Someone over the other side of the room kept tutting. So British!
In other news, I have sticker application tape, and have never used it because I don't really know why. Looks much easier from @Jason Green's video. Do you folks prefer tape, or manual sticker-by-sticker (anal) method? Pretty sure I'll need new stickers for my Valk 3, I'd be VERY surprised if my Weilong/Dayan stickers can be forced to fit. First Cubicle order in 2 years may be required! :-D
Logiqx
Veteran
I was listening to some of the old CubeCast episodes whilst driving this weekend. Either Chris Hardwick or Mike Hughey commented that all BLD practice is useful... even long runs of DNFs.
Consistently sub-20. Nice work!
newtonbase
Premium Member
I keep telling myself that too. The results will come eventually. Hopefully this weekend. I'm certain that I'll get a PB if I don't DNF every solve.
Jason Green
Veteran
@pipkiksass I will probably only ever use tape. I've never done it one by one. When I did the GANS I was a little annoyed because I had a few small bubbles I couldn't work out at first. I found if it is large enough you can pierce it with a needle. Otherwise they seem to go away on their own after a few weeks.
Even when I got my cubicle premium cubes I could see some minor bubble in them, I think I was more picky doing it myself.
Even when I got my cubicle premium cubes I could see some minor bubble in them, I think I was more picky doing it myself.
mark49152
Premium Member
Yeah I agree with the advice passed on by Mike. In practice, too much accuracy means you're not pushing speed enough. I shoot for 50% so those are good DNFs. In comp, if you want a PB, it's better to fire out three fast attempts and hope one was accurate than fire out three accurate attempts and hope one was fast. Perverse as it sounds, I'm more satisfied by a 1:10 DNF than a 1:30 success (unless I'm trying to get to the next round).
One Wheel
Legend
I think I'm on about a 50 DNF streak, so I should be in line for something really good. I've had a few DNFs under 6:00 I think, mostly around 8:00.
pglewis
Veteran
I can empathize. I had a free block to do a solid timed session tonight but my focus was clearly off, degrading to zero look-ahead by the end of it. But I did nail a PR 33.677 single mixed in with that mess. Edging ever so slowly closer to cracking sub 30 for the first time.
newtonbase
Premium Member
I was tempted to just do a careful solve to get rid of the streak but I already know that I can solve it.
You'll get there @One Wheel. What do you think is causing the DNFs?
Selkie
Premium Member
@Logiqx - had not looked at your alg pages until nice, nice work sir.
@defhacks - I will reserve judgement on the Wuhua and will certainly buy one I guess I am just more enthused by the release of the Moyu given what has been said about its stability. I have a tenancy through lazy turning to get layer misalignments and the number of pops I get is usually related to how a bigger cube deals with trying to turn through misalignments. Cubes that offer some resistance lead me to think Id better not push further. Cubes that offer little resistance and then pop I tend to pop lots. Here is a video of pushing through a misalignment earlier this year and that was only scrambling but didnt know where the misalignment was as was trying not to lose my place in the scramble on screen
@moralsh - Was about to ask if these were your first sub 20 averages but spotted you had already done that in comp. Congratulations though over 1/2 a second faster
@pipkiksass - I also went for the sticker by sticker approach which was very time consuming especially on a V-Cube 7x7 some years ago! One of the huge advantages of going stickerless now though!
@defhacks - I will reserve judgement on the Wuhua and will certainly buy one I guess I am just more enthused by the release of the Moyu given what has been said about its stability. I have a tenancy through lazy turning to get layer misalignments and the number of pops I get is usually related to how a bigger cube deals with trying to turn through misalignments. Cubes that offer some resistance lead me to think Id better not push further. Cubes that offer little resistance and then pop I tend to pop lots. Here is a video of pushing through a misalignment earlier this year and that was only scrambling but didnt know where the misalignment was as was trying not to lose my place in the scramble on screen
@moralsh - Was about to ask if these were your first sub 20 averages but spotted you had already done that in comp. Congratulations though over 1/2 a second faster
@pipkiksass - I also went for the sticker by sticker approach which was very time consuming especially on a V-Cube 7x7 some years ago! One of the huge advantages of going stickerless now though!
Logiqx
Veteran
I managed to break them yesterday evening whilst trying to get the code working on older browsers. Fortunately, I noticed my mistake before going to bed so I backed out the changes before leaving for work this morning.
Edit: 20.595 OH single this morning - full step with crazy TPS!
JohnnyReggae
Veteran
Finally managed to solve my new 3x3 Ghost cube. It really is pure evil. Spent the first couple of days with it not realising that I was incorrectly trying to build it up using the centers as a gauge ... doh !! Came close to finishing it a few times, but messing up an alg just throws the whole thing into a mess again :-(
But at least I have a fair idea now of what's going on with it that hopefully my next solve will be a lot quicker
But at least I have a fair idea now of what's going on with it that hopefully my next solve will be a lot quicker
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JohnnyReggae
Veteran
@Selkie - I had that exact thing happen to me with my Aoshi when I was scrambling it. Took me well over and hour and a half to put it back together again. I instantly tightened the tensions, however it is a lot harder to turn now as I am so worried about it popping like that again. This is also the reason I don't solve it to often. I can't get more than 4 or 5 solves in and my fingers and hands are to tired to do anymore. My problem is that I do want to solve the 6x6 more often, but can't seem to justify buying a new one particularly at the price of them.
mafergut
Legend
@Selkie, Chris, that 6x6 scramble pop is legendary! I can't stop watching it over and over. I did a couple solves with my Yuxin 6x6 this weekend, one before tightening it and another one after tightening it just 1/4 of a turn on each side, after maybe 2 months without solving it.
Funny that the fastest of the two was the 1st one by more than 1 minute. After tightening it feels more difficult to pop so maybe I just need some practice and also build some confidence in that the cube will not pop so I can start to turn a bit faster. I am around 3:15 on average on 5x5 and I have to turn so carefully that I just can't get below 7:30 on 6x6 (the expected times should be around 6:30) so I'm not really speedsolving it, just solving it
Funny that the fastest of the two was the 1st one by more than 1 minute. After tightening it feels more difficult to pop so maybe I just need some practice and also build some confidence in that the cube will not pop so I can start to turn a bit faster. I am around 3:15 on average on 5x5 and I have to turn so carefully that I just can't get below 7:30 on 6x6 (the expected times should be around 6:30) so I'm not really speedsolving it, just solving it
Selkie
Premium Member
@Logiqx - I work for a software division of a large multinational, know all about frustrations of bugs
Have to say if I want to attain a goal I announce it here, work hard and then attain it. Announce it elsewhere and I seldom get it. I cannot put a value on my progression I get from this thread and the great cubers who post in it. Sorry it needed saying, when I started speedcubing 6 years ago there was no older community or at least we were all isolated and did not have somewhere to collaborate. Simply awesome
Soooo, aim last week was for a sub 14.5 Ao12 on film. Had some very near misses (Four 14.5x averages whilst the camera was rolling). Have to say though was a bit disappointed in honesty, the average was sub 14 for a long time but fell apart after the 16.x but managed to hold on for the average here.
3x3 Average of 12: 14.44
Have to say if I want to attain a goal I announce it here, work hard and then attain it. Announce it elsewhere and I seldom get it. I cannot put a value on my progression I get from this thread and the great cubers who post in it. Sorry it needed saying, when I started speedcubing 6 years ago there was no older community or at least we were all isolated and did not have somewhere to collaborate. Simply awesome
Soooo, aim last week was for a sub 14.5 Ao12 on film. Had some very near misses (Four 14.5x averages whilst the camera was rolling). Have to say though was a bit disappointed in honesty, the average was sub 14 for a long time but fell apart after the 16.x but managed to hold on for the average here.
3x3 Average of 12: 14.44
1. 15.18 L2 B2 L2 D2 B2 F2 D' B2 D' B2 U2 B' U R2 U' F L' R' F' D' B2
2. 12.76 D' R2 D2 F2 D' B2 U2 R2 F2 U' R B L D R' D U B2 D U
3. 13.77 L2 U R2 U R2 D2 R2 D' F2 L2 R D B2 F' D2 F2 L' U B' R D2
4. 13.01 B2 R2 U' R2 D' B2 D' U2 B2 L2 R' D B R2 B2 D2 F R' U L2
5. (12.42) F R2 U' R L' U2 L' D F' D2 F D2 F U2 F L2 F2 L2 F'
6. 14.17 R F2 D2 B2 U2 L2 U2 F2 R2 U2 R B' R2 D' B' F' U' B2 D L U2
7. (16.26) U' D' B' R B U' B R' L F2 U2 L2 B R2 F' R2 L2 U2 F2 R2
8. 13.74 R2 F B2 U' D2 R' F' L D F2 D2 B2 D2 R2 B2 L2 B R2 U2 F
9. 15.75 L2 B2 D F2 D2 B2 L2 U L2 U F2 R D U' R U' B' F' R2 F2 R
10. 15.91 D2 L2 F2 L' D2 L F2 D2 L' B2 R' U' B L' D U B2 U2 B' L B2
11. 15.88 F2 R2 B' L2 U2 B2 U2 R2 F2 R2 F2 U' R2 B L D' L R' B R2 B'
12. 14.19 R' D' R' B D' B' D2 R L' U2 F' U2 F R2 B2 U2 B' U2 B' L2
2. 12.76 D' R2 D2 F2 D' B2 U2 R2 F2 U' R B L D R' D U B2 D U
3. 13.77 L2 U R2 U R2 D2 R2 D' F2 L2 R D B2 F' D2 F2 L' U B' R D2
4. 13.01 B2 R2 U' R2 D' B2 D' U2 B2 L2 R' D B R2 B2 D2 F R' U L2
5. (12.42) F R2 U' R L' U2 L' D F' D2 F D2 F U2 F L2 F2 L2 F'
6. 14.17 R F2 D2 B2 U2 L2 U2 F2 R2 U2 R B' R2 D' B' F' U' B2 D L U2
7. (16.26) U' D' B' R B U' B R' L F2 U2 L2 B R2 F' R2 L2 U2 F2 R2
8. 13.74 R2 F B2 U' D2 R' F' L D F2 D2 B2 D2 R2 B2 L2 B R2 U2 F
9. 15.75 L2 B2 D F2 D2 B2 L2 U L2 U F2 R D U' R U' B' F' R2 F2 R
10. 15.91 D2 L2 F2 L' D2 L F2 D2 L' B2 R' U' B L' D U B2 U2 B' L B2
11. 15.88 F2 R2 B' L2 U2 B2 U2 R2 F2 R2 F2 U' R2 B L D' L R' B R2 B'
12. 14.19 R' D' R' B D' B' D2 R L' U2 F' U2 F R2 B2 U2 B' U2 B' L2
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Selkie
Premium Member
@JohnnyReggae , @mafergut - I can clearly see on the video it was misaligned but didn't want to look down and lose my place the video was still runnign through the reassemble but due to some frustrated choice words I did not publish it in its entirety This was before I switched to stickerless and have to confess I have not as yet popped the Mouu Aosu Stickerless. With what you and @mark49152 have said about the tensions on the Yuxin I will reassemble it and tighten it and see if that helps. I should give it more time after all the Yuxin 5x5 is my main and no new cube on the market seems to be better for me though the Qiyi 5x5 came close.
This was before I switched to stickerless and have to confess I have not as yet popped the Mouu Aosu Stickerless. With what you and @mark49152 have said about the tensions on the Yuxin I will reassemble it and tighten it and see if that helps. I should give it more time after all the Yuxin 5x5 is my main and no new cube on the market seems to be better for me though the Qiyi 5x5 came close.
One Wheel
Legend
That's really probably a large part of the problem, that I haven't gone back to figure it out. When I started I think I was undoing setup moves incorrectly, and ending up with a completely scrambled cube. Now a typical attempt might have 3 edges and 3-5 corners out of place, which suggests to me that most likely I'm having an issue with breaking into new cycles.
mafergut
Legend
@Selkie, Chris another nice lesson on how a 16.xx second solve is a bad solve and the worst in an Ao12. And it all seems to be lookahead during cross+F2L. Not saying that your LL is bad, don't get me wrong, but maybe I am just 1 sec slower at LL so, the only explanation for the 3 seconds between your good Ao12 of 14.xx and mine of 17.xx is very good lookahead and probably a bit more efficiency as well. You seem to pause very rarely during the whole solve and not for long in any case. Really motivating to try and get close to that but, at the same time, feels so unattainable right now.
And this is more evident in big cubes with sub-1 4x4, sub-2 5x5 and sub-4 6x6 where I am around 50% slower (the more so the bigger the cube, around 30% slower at 4x4 but around 75% slower at 6x6).
And this is more evident in big cubes with sub-1 4x4, sub-2 5x5 and sub-4 6x6 where I am around 50% slower (the more so the bigger the cube, around 30% slower at 4x4 but around 75% slower at 6x6).
