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Do you think I over/under inspect?
Yeah, that was a joke. I noticed the one 30 secs inspection and laughed out loud.

I've just bought the new Moyu Mars as I'm pretty sure I don't own enough 3x3s.
Where did you buy it? I am pretty sure I do not own enough 3X3's too :)
 
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Yeah, that was a joke. I noticed the one 30 secs inspection and laughed out loud.

Where did you buy it? I am pretty sure I do not own enough 3X3's too :)

Yeah, I was not able to see anything good on that one last solve, hence the overinspection and, even with that, the really terrible solve. By the way, I have to say thank you again, as I think you have spotted my weakest point in 3x3 solving. I have decided to forget about everything else for some weeks and just focus on 3x3 again and, in particular in cross planning and cross-to-f2l transition.

Regarding that new sub-brand of Moyu... I don't think I can justify another 3x3 that looks like all the latest 3x3s, squared corners, rounded edges and all.
 
https://www.speedsolving.com/forum/threads/video-expert-f2l-russian-by-viktor-danilov.43416/

There were some really interesting discussions a few years back about what was important for good F2L and Rowan Kinneavy (@Escher) posted some great stuff. I can't find it now, but the gist of his and other posts was that lookahead goes hand in hand with things like selecting the right pairs to minimise rotations, preserving and predicting pairs, filling back slots first to keep more pieces visible, etc. It influenced me to see F2L as more of a holistic thing, rather than four separate steps... but your mileage may vary ;).

Here's a couple of old threads that might be what you're thinking of!

https://www.speedsolving.com/forum/threads/f2l-edge-orientation-guide.25525/

https://www.speedsolving.com/forum/threads/f2l-and-lookahead-guide-example-solves-not-a-video.24952/
 
Today I managed to get a 15.74 Mo3 on cam, with "on cam" PB single 13.93 while practising cross-to-f2l transition. The middle solve is just meh but it's in the middle, so I didn't cut it. Please tell me if you think the 1st and 3rd improve a bit on cross-to-f2l transition. I just cut the Mo3, the Ao5, even though it's also "on cam" PB (17.30) does not have any other interesting solves, just more of the same 18sec stuff.

mean of 3: 15.74
1. 13.93 R' F2 L2 B' L2 F2 R2 F L2 D2 F R2 U' R F' L U' L' B' U' L
2. 18.96 R' B U2 L' D' B' L' F' U' L' R2 F U2 R2 F L2 B' R2 B2 D2 B'
3. 14.31 U L2 D2 R2 B2 R2 B R2 F2 R2 D2 B D L' B D' L' B' F2 L U2

 
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@mafergut Nice! I had almost no time this week to practice. And today I did one Ao12 which I have on film. I can see I am finally improving after a two year plateau because I never had a sub 17.50 Ao12 on film before ;) This was just a normal practice session with even a few none Y/W crosses.

1. 15.51 U' R2 B2 L2 B2 D L2 R2 B2 L2 D L F R2 D2 U' B2 L' U' R
2. 20.46 D R2 F R2 F' L2 F2 R2 D2 B' D2 U2 R' B' U' F' R B D F2 R
3. 17.30 L' F L2 F U' L' U R F L2 B' L2 F' R2 F2 D2 F D2 F2 D
4. 19.43 U F2 B' U2 D R F2 L B F2 L2 U' B2 D' F2 R2 U' R2 U' R2
5. 16.29 D2 F2 U B2 D R2 U' R2 B2 U' F' L' F' U R D F L2 U'
6. 16.88 U' D2 B D2 F2 U2 R2 U2 F' D2 U2 R2 U R' D' L' R B' U L F'
7. 17.53 R2 D2 F2 U' F2 U2 F2 U' B2 R2 U' R D2 F2 L' F' D2 U' F2
8. 15.66 F' D2 F' L2 U2 F2 U2 B D2 R2 F2 L' D' R B' R2 D B' U L F'
9. 21.54 F2 U' B2 L2 D2 B2 L2 D2 U R2 U L U R U' L2 F' L B
10. 15.95 F' U2 L2 D2 B2 R2 B2 R2 D2 F' L2 D' L B2 F2 R2 B L' B' F2
11. 17.84 R2 U2 B F U2 L2 B U2 F D2 F' U L' F2 D' L2 R' U2 L' F'
12. 17.36 D L2 F2 L2 F2 U F2 R2 U2 F2 D' L R2 D2 B R U R' B F2 U2

 
@mafergut Nice! I had almost no time this week to practice. And today I did one Ao12 which I have on film. I can see I am finally improving after a two year plateau because I never had a sub 17.50 Ao12 on film before ;) This was just a normal practice session with even a few none Y/W crosses

That's better that my Ao12 PB, on cam or otherwise :) Very nice solves in there and even full color neutral. That Fangyuan looks like a Yuexiao that does not have corner-center catches. I might get one myself if the Valk is not what I expect. @newtonbase, please tell us how that Mars 3x3 performs, it's another good candidate to replace my Yuexiao. You will be wondering what happened with my Sulong, well, I still like it a lot but in the long run, the lack of reverse makes me want to come back to newer cubes.
 
[...] Try a lengthy inspection and plan the whole cross then do it blind.

[...]Then, importantly, practice them blind. So use F2L scrambles (many timers do these), find each pair, then close your eyes and solve. Then open eyes and find the next pair and so on.[...]

Y'all are just sneakily trying to get me doing bld! :mad:;)

I was actually surprised that I can nearly do this with F2L now (slowly); cross, not so much. When I first transitioned from LBL to pairs I spent weeks just learning the ropes of F2L, how things move, what I can and can't do. I think I did this in the old Rubik's days too because I was getting flashbacks during that exercise. With my poor recognition I decided early on to just turn every case into corner and edge in the U face, white facing up. It wasn't always efficient but my times improved drastically because I could spot and setup that single case fairly quickly without a lot of looking around. That got me down to about a minute before stalling out and from there I started optimizing the cases that were taking the longest. Most of the solutions I'm using are reasonably efficient now... seems like every time I check one against algdb or another F2L reference that I'm doing the same thing but I'll inventory all of 'em at this point, I'm sure there are a few new tricks to pick up. Just trying out the blindfold method on my F2L pairs I've already found at least one case that I don't know exactly where the pieces end up before insertion, I've always had to peek at them which means any look-ahead I have gets interrupted for that case every time.

I can tell this isn't going to be absorbed super fast for me but I can also tell this is going to really make an impact because it's forcing me to discover where I'm killing my look-ahead. Seems like such an obvious thing now.
 
I was actually surprised that I can nearly do this with F2L now (slowly); cross, not so much.
Good to hear you're making progress. With F2L it's easier because there's a finite set of cases and most of it goes into muscle memory. Cross isn't like that. Every solution is different, muscle memory plays a much smaller part and it really feels like a different skill to do cross blind. I find F2L easy but still struggle with cross - I can do it, but mentally I have to focus on recall and even visualisation of the pieces, which means it's harder not to just look in a sighted solve. I agree with @newtonbase that it's the best cross training, but it takes a lot of work to make it pay off.
 
Nearly 600 pages of old people? An old nub here, I'll be 49 in January and just went to my first comp this month.

I'm a first gen cuber, probably got my first cube around '82, old skool Rubik's brand of course. No internet in those days but I picked up a book at some point and could solve LBL probably somewhere in the 3 to 5 min range. The most recent new wave of interest kept bringing me into contact with cubes. I could remember about 90% but couldn't finish the last layer and that happened enough times that I finally hit the 'net in late winter to figure out how to solve again. Learned the beginners' LL, did that about twice before I decided it was ridiculous, and then I fell into the speedsolving rabbit hole.

I bombed at my first comp. I knew comp jitters might be a factor my first time out but I really underestimated how much it might throw me off. My concentration was clearly off that morning in practice and once the timer started I nearly went full brain-wipe despite plenty of practice at home with cstimer. I'm unfazed though, the entire comp experience was fantastic. Everyone was incredibly helpful, friendly, and encouraging. I didn't even manage an average for 3x3 or 2x2, but at least I have official single solves for both in the books and my PRs will be crushed my next time out :D. Now that I know my concentration is susceptible I'll practice with sirens going and someone actively heckling me before my next comp. When warmed up at home on 3x3 I'm currently around mid 40s for ao5, best single :34 and change. 2x2 average generally 12-14 seconds with a 5.52 best single but the first time I ever touched a 2x2 was 2 weeks before the comp.

My mission: I'm another sub-20 3x3 seeker now. I use CFOP, 2 look OLL and I know full PLL with the exception of Nb at this point. Not in need of much help short of pounding out F2L thousands more times. I haven't done much archaeology in this thread yet so I'm not sure who the active old folks are but I figure there are a few active speedsolvers around that are older than I. Anyone pulled up any interesting WCA stats on age?
Welcome! Check my signature to see the performance of some over-40s in competition.

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Hi all! I'm a long time member saying hi for the first time in this thread. I know many of the posters in this thread already, but for those who I don't know my name is Chris. I've been a speedcuber for 18 years, pretty active that whole time. In the last 5 years or so I don't really train like I used to, but I cube enough to maintain most of my events. I like blindsolving, and big cubes blind in particular. I'm 32 and have recently started a job as an actuary. One day I will motivate myself to learn a letter pair Person-Action-Object memorization list, and this is the last major goal I set before I started winding down my cubing time. I am only the megaminx average, and 6x6x6 and 7x7x7 single and average away from having competed in all events in official competition. I am slowly working on this as well, but right now I am not fast enough in any of these events to make it past the cut-off times.

I am saying hi in this thread as I have not yet to my knowledge. I'm starting to see more and more that I think I would get along with the group that posts regularly in this thread :)

Happy cubing!
Chris
 
Hi Chris. Nice to see you in this thread. I'm not sure if you know but Grzesiek Jałocha works as a kind of actuary too. I'm not 100% sure but he mentioned it last time I saw him. I can see similiar path and it seems intresting to me.
 
@mark49152, Mark it doesnt work on obliques but maybe I'm wrong. For D layer I do easy comm like: [U r2 U', 2l] and its variations. If the targets are on D and U layer I setup U layer target to F side.
I finally got round to trying this on obliques and it works for me. Maybe we're talking about different algs. Assuming buffer is Ubr, my alg for Dbl is

l B2 d2 B2 l' U2 l B2 d2 B2 l'

If the l slice is inner, the d slice should be outer, and vice versa, depending which oblique group. My notation is probably wrong.

It's not a fast alg but I still have to resort to it in 4BLD sometimes when I mess up the chance to set up to something better.

I still haven't got round to trying a 6BLD and since work is pretty busy this week I'll be devoting any time I do have to practise for Guildford, where the only BLD event is 3BLD.

For UK oldies, the UK Champs schedule is now up. Cutoffs for 4x4 and 5x5 are harsher than usual at 1:20 and 2:15 respectively...
 
Welcome @pglewis & @cmhardw!

How I tried 6bld. Memo starts at 3:48. I've added English subs (my English is poor) for you guys. I hope you enjoy it.


Thanks for this. My success rate on 3BLD is pretty low but I still found this fascinating and look forward to seeing how you progress. Good luck.

For UK oldies, the UK Champs schedule is now up. Cutoffs for 4x4 and 5x5 are harsher than usual at 1:20 and 2:15 respectively...

Ah well, I was a long way from the old cutoffs, so no complaints from me! The OH average cut is also lower than usual although oddly the 4x4 hard cut is higher.

I note MBLD and FMC are taking place at the same time. Time will tell as to how that will operate judge-wise.
 
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@pglewis - Here are the main N perms I use on 3x3. I use a few different N's for bigger cubes.


Also great self critique and breakdown of your stages. With forethought and planning liek that you will be seeing great improvement soon :)

@Escher - heh Rowan, great to see you drop by and looking forward to catching up at UKC in November. It has been far, far too long mate :) For those who have not read it. This thread on practice by Rowan is awesome and required reading

https://www.speedsolving.com/forum/threads/how-to-practice.27870/

@cmhardw Wow, great to see you here Chris and the prospect of you contributing is awesome. I am sure we could all learn an awful lot from you. The thing that sticks in my mind most recently was your change to Colour Neutral in the last year or two. This is something I have always toyed with but never committed and I wonder if at 46 years old it will actually take me more time to get used to to make it pay off. I also watched your forum interview in the last couple of weeks. Great stuff sir :D

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3x3 Update

Today I managed to get a PB Ao100 of 15.21. Unfortunately I inadvertently deleted the session but it was quite consistent with 2-3 sub 14 ao5's and a 14.75 ao12. Thats a 0.6 improvement in 2 weeks. Maybe sub 15 is attainable after all.

My Valk 3 seems to have slowed right up and I keep locking up on it which is frustrating. Tomorrow I will take it apart and lube it properly which I have not done yet so for now I am back on the X-Man Tornado and the above session was with that.

Some may remember I learned Winter variation but I have not been incorporating them in my solves. I did this with COLL a few years ago. I have decided to relearn both sets and after UKC in November I am going to enforce a couple of months of no timing to ensure I fully incorporate WV, COLL and about 10 bad BL slot F2L cases into my solves. Hoopefully this will give me the arsenal for sub 15 global. I can but hope .... :)
 
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