How to sub 25s - 30s?

[LaffyTaffyKidd]

I've been cubing for about 4 months and i keep on getting 38-40 seconds (average for 12 solves).

Can you guys tell me how do you break this 38-40 second barrier?

 

[ExoCorsair]

Slow down on F2L and make no pauses between corner-edge pairs.

That alone got me to sub-35s.

 

[LaffyTaffyKidd]

What do you mean by making no pauses between corner-edge pairs?

 

[joey]

What do you mean by making no pauses between corner-edge pairs?

Betweeen each F2L pair there should be no delay. So you recognise a F2L case, and as you are solving the pair look for the next pair to solve.

 

[AvGalen]

Maybe he doesn't use Fridrich, so he might not know what corner-edge pairs are.

Please tell us the method you use and tell us how long each part of a solve takes you.

 

[LaffyTaffyKidd]

I use the Fridrich method.

The cross : 3-5 seconds

F2L : 17-23 seconds ( non-intuitive )
22-28 seconds ( intuitive )

Last layer : 15-18 seconds

 

[dolphyfan]

Your last layer is very long. do you know PLL or do you not use OLL and then PLL? If you dont know PLL then learn all 21 of them. That was the difference for me. About a month ago I was getting times like yours but I learned PLL and know I average 27 sec. Also work on F2L try to get it down to 13-16 sec and that should get you sub 35 and probably sub 30.

 

[AvGalen]

I use a 4 look last layer and that takes me about 10 seconds. So if you do use OLL-PLL than 10 seconds is the absolute maximum that it should take you (or you will just get the practice/practice/practice slogan)

 

[Todd]

I have the same issue, my best time is 22.77 yet my best average is 40.0x.

Out of 12 typically i have 6 or 7 solves between 35 - 40 seconds and the rest would be mid 40's.

But i would have to say all the times i have done that were sub30 the F2L was maybe 10 seconds.

The F2L is 75% of the cube so you could practice that the most IMO>

 

[AvGalen]

Actually the F2L is 2/3 of the cube and 12/20 of the cubies which is just 66,67% and 60%. Don't underestimate the Last Layer.

 

[LaffyTaffyKidd]

thank you everyone for giving me ideas. And Todd, you're just like me.. lol. My best time is 28 seconds and my best average is like 40.0x too.
Right now I remember a few OLL and I know 13 PLL, but the PLL's that come up for me mostly are the G perms! (which I don't know) - I'll start learning them though. And for the OLL, is it worth learning most of the algs?? Can you guys tell me how many OLL you guys know out of all of them?

For the F2L, do I practice OVER AND OVER AND OVER??? because it seems like I'm not getting any faster no matter how much i do the F2L. Does anybody know 'exactly' what to do to get faster at F2L?? Do I change some algs, mirror algs, or.. just figure things out myself (since I might have a better understanding that way)?

 

[AvGalen]

Don't just practice, practice, practice. You should also train, train, train. The difference is small but important:
Practice = Random cases come up so you use recognition and execution of random algs
Train = Figure out what causes some algs to be nice and repeat them over and over again to execute them faster. Or put random states on the cube and try to recognize cases. Or try to find fewest moves / fastest execution crosses within 15 seconds, etc.

The difference between training and practice is that you focus on 1 aspect during a training.

 

[joey]

Thats funny Arnaud, because I have been thinking the same thing recently.
Mostly I just practice, but I think it would be good to train. Like just do lots of crosses, or LL's or something. Like focus on one aspect as you said.
I have started doing the same thing with BLD, where I can only memorise for one minute. It forces me not to be lazy!

 

[Lt-UnReaL]

For OLL, just learn the easy cases. It only saves like 3-4 seconds anyway, and for you're speed you don't have to learn OLL yet, just focus on F2L. (And learn PLL)

 

[hdskull]

watch rama's video if you don't know what they're talking about.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_TvBPg8NkaM

or practice like this:

solve ur first F2L pair half way, stop, w/o turning the cube and look for the next pair, complete the first pair, do the 2nd pair half way, and look for the 3rd pair, finish 2nd pair, and solve the 3rd pair half way, and look for fourth pair. solve the 4th pair as fast as u can, because there's no way to look for OLL, unless u use MGLS. and then finish PLL as fast as you can.

i read that somewhere and haven't really tried it myself, because:
1. i already try to look ahead.
2. i avg sub 30, around 27/28

but i'll try it when i have time to get more fluent with F2L as my F2L still takes too long. (F2L w/cross takes me about 14-18 secs) 2/3 look OLL takes me like 4-8, and PLL takes me 4.

u should easily break the 35 sec barrier.

good luck

 

[LaffyTaffyKidd]

ill try to look ahead during F2L, but the only thing that takes practice is looking ahead while i do my first, second, or third pair.

what site do you guys recommend to do the PLL fastest and OLL fastest? (meaning fastest algorithm)

 

[Lt-UnReaL]

Look on the OLL/PLL list at the top of the Speedcubing section.

 

[apoplectic]

also,look at what specific algs you seem to be doing slower than others, and train on those.if your like me you had a lot of algs that arent very comfortable and you do them slowly.training with them should boost your speed a lot!

 

[ExoCorsair]

also,look at what specific algs you seem to be doing slower than others, and train on those.if your like me you had a lot of algs that arent very comfortable and you do them slowly.training with them should boost your speed a lot!

Or change the algorithm. It's probably better, even if it adds more moves.

 

[pou-pou]

Or change the algorithm. It's probably better, even if it adds more moves.

Ditto that. Have been true too many times with me. Though I'm not complaining .