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I was going to buy a mini Weilong for OH, the normal sized one it's ok but I'm guessing one a bit smaller would be slightly better for me, and anyway I might need to set it up differently than for 2H... but apparently the stickerless one apparently comes with pink instead of red :(
 
I wonder if that would have been recognised outside this thread. How old does one have to be? :) I remember watching it on TV when it first aired, one episode per week.

I have a niece in her mid-20s that would know it, but then again she has an uncle that loves cult TV. Don't think the movie version got enough traction to stay in the next generation's minds; that was something of a missed opportunity.

But the whole 42 thing is a part of modern cultural history. I see people wearing a themed T-shirt every now and again too.
 
@mark49152 Yeah, sure, Mark, I would be glad to have that grouping/ordering info so that I can try a PLL time attack myself, because right now I'm lost regarding how to approach that.

Also, Michael, @Logiqx, very nice E-perm time. I'm sure my will be around 2-3 seconds. I timed all my PLLs some time ago and had 0 PLLs sub-1 and not that many sub-2, but with stackmat and wrists I think I can get a bit faster than with spacebar. Will try this weekend :)

Also @Shaky Hands I am one of those guys that got a deffective Dayan Mega that shoots screws and center caps in the air when you're solving it. Had to tighten it to the point it is unusable and it still loosens up very quickly when turning certain faces so I just put it in a drawer and was done with it.

Regarding index finger for R' I use it at times depending on the alg and where my fingers are at that moment. I do that in some OLLs and in my old V-perm (I'm learning a new one for both 2H and OH). Most of the time, tough, I just use my pinky. Once you get used to it it's not that bad but I'm nowhere near fast at OH. I use a regular size 3x3, though. I have a Weilong mini and it's definitely too small for me, I prefer the 56-57 size but my hands are somewhat large (I'm 1.88m tall).

@earth2dan: I see your graph and it looks like mine from some months ago. It looks like improvement is not happening any more, but it happens... even tough very slowly. Give it a year and tell me where your at by then.
 
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Just 0.01 short of my PB 47.55 set in Jan 2015, so the challenge remains :).

Challenge accepted but I'm going to need some practice!

I've not attempted a PLL attack so I've been experimenting with the following groups:

Na Nb V Y - diag swaps - best 8.675 / 2.169 per alg
E Aa Ab - comms - best 5.608 / 1.869 per alg
H Z Ua Ub - MU - best 6.473 / 1.618 per alg
Ga Gb Gc Gd - yuck - best 9.561 / 2.413 per alg
T Ra Rb - headlight cases - best 6.046 / 2.015 per alg
Ja Jb F - bar cases - best 5.331 / 1.777 per alg

These times add up to sub-42 and I've managed each half sub-23 but I haven't got through the whole lot at speed without messing up. My wrists are aching after attempting this without warming up. Doh!
 
I'm not sure if I'll ever attempt a CMLL attack, but I've individually timed all the cases I know for now. These are the best times after trying each one for 10-15 times.

S1: 1.27

As1: 1.22

U1: 2.77
U2: 2.19
U3: 2.48
U4: 2.32
U5: 2.25
U6: 1.32

T1: 2.72
T2: 2.69
T3: 1.90
T4: 1.64
T5: 1.53
T6: 3.28

L1: 2.81
L2: 2.64
L3: 2.56
L4: 1.55
L5: 1.56
L6: 2.82

Pi1: 1.55
Pi2: 3.06
Pi3: 2.93
Pi4: 2.78
Pi5: 2.48
Pi6: 2.61

H1: 1.72
H2: 1.93
H3: 1.99
H4: 2.05

O1: 1.80
O2: 2.95
 
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That's cool.. I do not think even my fastest PLL is sub 2 :) My E perm is definatly sup 3
I found a text document from december where I put my average times for all my PLLs. As I said 0 sub-1 and not that many sub-2 and my E-perm is around 3 seconds. Let's see when i change it for the RUD one. Just some examples (I don't want to bore you with the complete list):

H Avg. 2.02 best 1.59 (M2 alg)
Ua Avg. 1.65 best 1.34 (R, U alg, bar in front)
Ua Avg. 2.05 best 1.76 (M, U alg, bar in back)
Z Avg. 2.55 best 2.00 (R, U alg)
Aa Avg. 1.80 best 1.51
Aa Avg. 2.18 best 1.99 (left hand mirror)
E Avg. 2.93 best 2.51 (x) U R' U' L U R U' r2 U' R U L U' R' U (x)
Ga Avg. 2.11 best 1.74
Gb Avg. 2.34 best 2.11
Ja Avg. 2.45 best 2.20
Jb Avg. 1.93 best 1.55 (T-perm conj.)
Nb Avg. 2.57 best 2.25 (R' U R U' R' F' U' F R U R' F R' F' R U' R)
Ra Avg. 2.40 best 2.34 (R U2 R' U2 R B' R' U' R U R B R2 U)
T Avg. 1.91 best 1.45
V Avg. 2.80 best 2.41 ((y) r' F R F' r U r' F R' F' r U2 R U2 R')
Y Avg. 2.09 best 1.79
 
I've never attempted a full PLL time attack. In fact, I haven't drilled PLL's at all in a long time. For the last several months my main focus has been improving my F2L and look ahead.

I'll give it a go this evening. I figured I would just do it alphabetically to minimize chances of missing one, but I kinda like the way @Logiqx has them grouped. I think my first goal would be to get under 60s, as I'm sure I'll be over :(
 
I've not attempted a PLL attack so I've been experimenting with the following groups:

Na Nb V Y - diag swaps - best 8.675 / 2.169 per alg
E Aa Ab - comms - best 5.608 / 1.869 per alg
H Z Ua Ub - MU - best 6.473 / 1.618 per alg
Ga Gb Gc Gd - yuck - best 9.561 / 2.413 per alg
T Ra Rb - headlight cases - best 6.046 / 2.015 per alg
Ja Jb F - bar cases - best 5.331 / 1.777 per alg

Looks very good. I tried myself with these groupings and got:

Na Nb V Y..... 12.62 av 3.16
E Aa Ab..... 12.09 av 4.03
H Z Ua Ub..... 11.65 av 2.91
T Ra Rb..... 8.55 av 2.85
Ja Jb F..... 7.20 av 2.40

EDIT: oops, missed the G-perms and previously had wrong time for (T Ra Rb):
Ga Gb Gc Gd...... 12.08 av 3.02

Total: 64.19

I suspect the fact my PLL for the group of (E Aa Ab) is more than twice the length of yours says a lot about your ability with an E-perm compared to mine!
 
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Have to learn PLL before I can join you guys in the PLL attacks. :(

In the meantime, I'll keep improving ZZ. New PB single: 22.45

This time I managed to find the exact reconstruction of my solve:

L2 B U F2 L2 D L2 U2 R2 D' R2 F2 D2 R2 D' R' B2 L' U R' B' D2 B L2 F2

x2 // Inspection

R D' L U F // EOLine (places orange cross edge as well)
U R U' R // F2L 1
U' L U L2 U' L // F2L 2
U' L U' L' // F2L 3
U2 R' U2 R2 U R2 U R // F2L 4
R U2 R2 U' R2 U' R2 U2 R // OLL
U l' U R' D2 R U' R' D2 R2 // PLL

47 stm. 47/22.45=2.09 tps

Looking at that reconstruction, I can see some clear misses in look ahead. After the EOLine, I could have gotten two F2L pairs inserted with U R L' U' R2 U' R', had I spotted the completed F2L pair at front left. Also, the transition from 2nd to 3rd F2l pair, I did not see the 3rd pair until I finished insertion of 2nd pair. So the end of 2nd and beginning of 3rd now went L U' L U', when it could have been L2 U2 instead. This one is a bit of an eye opener. I'm really not looking ahead as well as I should. That 3rd pair should be impossible to miss if I'm actively looking for it instead of focusing on the pair I am inserting.

But this time it was lucky, my small mistakes got me a PLL I knew. All's well that ends well. :)
 
I'm not sure if I'll ever attempt a CMLL attack, but I've individually timed all the cases I know for now. These are the best times after trying each one for 10-15 times.

S1: 1.27

As1: 1.22

U1: 2.77
U2: 2.19
U3: 2.48
U4: 2.32
U5: 2.25
U6: 1.32

T1: 2.72
T2: 2.69
T3: 1.90
T4: 1.64
T5: 1.53
T6: 3.28

L1: 2.81
L2: 2.64
L3: 2.56
L4: 1.55
L5: 1.56
L6: 2.82

Pi1: 1.55
Pi2: 3.06
Pi3: 2.93
Pi4: 2.78
Pi5: 2.48
Pi6: 2.61

H1: 1.72
H2: 1.93
H3: 1.99
H4: 2.05

O1: 1.80
O2: 2.95

I've lost an hour :). Best of 6 (sometimes more). Some are good, some are bad. But it's only cmll attack. During speedsolve I'm far slower:

a1 (jperm) 1.57
a2 (e perm) 1.44

b1 (antisune) 0.89
b2 2.11
b3 1.54
b4 1.32
b5 1.16
b6 1.97

c1 (sune) 0.97
c2 1.52
c3 1.63
c4 1.79
c5 0.91
c6 2.28

d1 (L case) 1.68
d2 1.57
d3 1.48
d4 0.61
d5 0.83
d6 1.54

e1 (U set) 2.26
e2 1.49
e3 1.48
e4 1.84
e5 1.41
e6 0.99

f1 (Tset) 2.66
f2 2.11
f3 0.76
f4 2.27
f5 0.77
f6 2.4

g1 (Pi set )1.24
g2 1.56
g3 1.72
g4 1.79
g5 1.54
g6 1.59

h1 1.25
h2 1.61
h3 1.99
h4 1.59
 
Oh wow, that convinced me the most, I'm going to try to learn to execute the E perm like a pro right now!

I guess your time does not include the rotations, right?
 
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