CFCE vs CFOP

[PurpleBanana]

The best ZBLL idea Ive seen is lars petrus's: learn 40 algorithms and then use a combination of two of them to solve each ZBLL case.

If you're going to use two algorithms anyway, then why would you not just use COLL-EPLL?

 

[bobthegiraffemonkey]

If you're going to use two algorithms anyway, then why would you not just use COLL-EPLL?

I think the point is that the solutions will be nicer on average, that's what Kir was going for too but learning and recall were an issue.

 

[Daniel Lin]

The best ZBLL idea Ive seen is lars petrus's: learn 40 algorithms and then use a combination of two of them to solve each ZBLL case. the only hard part is memorizing the case combinations, but that can be pronted out on a cheat sheet or something.
Its only 2-3 moves more than the optimal ZBLL cases, and its still fast, but lars petrus's algs aren't as clear as they could be, someone has to work on them.

But the thing is the hardest part of learning ZBLL is linking the algorithm to its cases, not learning the algs themselves. If you did Lar's 1look 2 alg approach you would have already done like 60% of the work already, so you might as well just learn the algs.

 

[Daniel Lin]

Has anybody tried generating OLLEP algs?
I'm curious to see if OLLEP+CPLL could work. CPLL would be 8/12 A perms, 2/12 E perms, 1/12 solved, and 1/12 H perm.
For most people, are U perms faster or A perms?

 

[PurpleBanana]

Has anybody tried generating OLLEP algs?
I'm curious to see if OLLEP+CPLL could work. CPLL would be 8/12 A perms, 2/12 E perms, 1/12 solved, and 1/12 H perm.
For most people, are U perms faster or A perms?

U perms are faster for me and I think for most others as well.

 

[Shiv3r]

the reason no one uses CFCE is that the 2-look systems are nonexistent, and so that means learning the 42 and 24 algorithms right at the start.

 

[TDM]

the reason no one uses CFCE is that the 2-look systems are nonexistent, and so that means learning the 42 and 24 algorithms right at the start.

They are existent. 2-look CLL is the same as 2-look CMLL/2x2 CLL, and 2-look ELL can be done with orient -> permute. That's 7+2+3+4 = 16 algs, the same as CFOP 4-look LL's 3+7+2+4.

 

[Teoidus]

You could also solve the ELL as a Roux case if you're already practiced in that, which would be likely inefficient, but would work okay until you learned the algs

 

[Vexatious]

Let's look at move effeciency for a second in the full Cll/Ell vs Oll/Pll