ZZ LL Variation?

[Saransh Grover]

I've been using the zz method for a while now and came up with this thought/idea. I have a feeling that this has been discussed before but I could not find it anywhere so:

Once done with your zzf2l , since you will already have all edges oriented , permute them by placing 2 adjacent and doing sune and then do 1 alg to solve the whole last layer?

In this way we can easily track our recognition and reduce algorithm count too.

 

[PurpleBanana]

Why is this better than solving the last layer in 2 algorithms with OCLL-PLL or COLL-EPLL as is common?

 

[Saransh Grover]

1. There can be numerous amounts of ways for edge control during the last f2l so that you already skip the permutation
2. Way easier recognition and algs

 

[supercavitation]

I've been using the zz method for a while now and came up with this thought/idea. I have a feeling that this has been discussed before but I could not find it anywhere so:

Once done with your zzf2l , since you will already have all edges oriented , permute them by placing 2 adjacent and doing sune and then do 1 alg to solve the whole last layer?

In this way we can easily track our recognition and reduce algorithm count too.

This is a less efficient version of ZZ-b.

 

[AlphaSheep]

This could be considered a stepping stone to phasing+ZZLL. The alg count is half of ZZLL, but the move count in the phasing step is much higher - 8 moves for sune+AUF compared to the 3 or 4 moves needed for phasing, and that's not counting the z-perm case. Given that the alg count is still relatively high for a 2LLL (>80), and that phasing takes a while to get used to anyway, I think it's probably not worth stopping at this when you could just go for full ZZLL. Also, other than 3 corner cycles, the algs for pure corners often aren't the nicest.

 

[Saransh Grover]

Right, I see why it has not been discussed. I did not know that it had >80 algs. Thank You