Older cubers discussions

[mafergut]

Congrats to all of you that managed to hold your nerves in competition and did great. As I said before, I would have DNF'd all my solves for sure.

As I didn't have the chance to go to a comp I spent some time at home trying again to record an Ao12. Tried twice but one was a 20.36 and the second one would have been a 19.98, except by the fact that the 11th solve should be a DNF.

Generated By csTimer on 2015-9-27
avg of 12: 19.98

Time List:
18.32, 18.22, (17.94), 18.47, 19.61, 21.36, 21.50, 21.63, (21.92), 21.12, 20.11, 19.46

I was doing just fine up to the 1st five solves (which make an 18.34 Ao5) so I got nervous and started to do 21s. I won't bother you with the full Ao12 so I just edited the first fives solves. Watching that again, even though the times are not that bad, I find my turning style sloppy and choppy compared with the smooth turning of other Ao12s that you guys have uploaded here. So, comments for improvement are welcome.

 

[h2f]

Yes, congratulations to all of you who had a competiotion this weekend. I'm reading all posts about it.

 

[moralsh]

Mark is faster now He kept his cool today..

But do I keep the single? Haven't checked everyone yet.

Final day Report

Today the focus was on organization as we had a lot of rounds and we had to end early, so it was not a very good day, time wise

4BLD: did an attempt, with good memo (or so I thought) but I noticed on execution that the memo made no sense (a sticker not on a cycle break appeared twice) so I DNFed early
2x2x2: Horrible, 9.something average
4x4x4: As our schedule for today was very tight, we decided to have a 1:20 cutoff on the second round of 4x4x4 (which I needed a 7s official improvement to make it, almost no chance). I messed OLL parity (again) when I noticed I was not going to make it and ended again with double parity.
On the second solve everything went great and I did a 1:13 which I'm very proud of, then a 1:40 double parity, then a carbon copy of the first solve (messed oll Parity) but this time on the way to sub 1:20, so it hurt a bit more. Lastly I ended with a 1:26 OLL parity.

I ended performing 6 OLL parities this round (2 wrongly )

3BLD: I did 4 blindsolves today, an 1:29 unofficial to warm up, two official DNFs, and a 2 minute success after being eliminated. The two successes were way faster and with no earmuffs (Arnold classic is a very noisy event), I know what to do next time

3x3x3: Awful crosses and I left my lookahead at home because it was nowhere to be found, I only glimpsed it on the 18.xx solve

9 PBs total 10 if you count organizing 10 competitions, all went well and next time it will be harder to improve.

Congrats to Mark and Marcel for their new PBs!

 

[Logiqx]

Well done guys. Great to see the 3x3 times improving!

 

[EvilGnome6]

Sunday Single 6x6
Here's me doing a 4:15 6x6. It's about 9 seconds off my PB. Cube used was a MoYu AoShi.

 

[MarcelP]

So, comments for improvement are welcome.

You pause litterally between every F2L OLL and PLL. Still your times are pretty good. I see some easy target practice for you only to focus on lookahead.

 

[chtiger]

Got my first 4BLD success yesterday. Time was 23:05.30 (~10:20 memo). Tried another today and also a 5 cube MBLD and they were both very slow and very DNF.

 

[MarcelP]

Congrats Marcel :tu ​but all my numbers are orange

I challenge you to go to a competition now and get all orange

I just checked my profile and saw that all my OH entries ever are orange.. LOL My worst event..

 

[h2f]

Got my first 4BLD success yesterday. Time was 23:05.30 (~10:20 memo). Tried another today and also a 5 cube MBLD and they were both very slow and very DNF.

Nice and congratulations.

I did 3 tries of small multibld yesterday - all dnf: 3/7, 0/3, 0/2. Last try was late at night and I was too tired.

 

[MarcelP]

Sunday Single 6x6
Here's me doing a 4:15 6x6. It's about 9 seconds off my PB. Cube used was a MoYu AoShi.

Will watch after work tonight

 

[mafergut]

Sunday Single 6x6
Here's me doing a 4:15 6x6. It's about 9 seconds off my PB. Cube used was a MoYu AoShi.

Nice piece of solving. It looks like you have your AoShi on pretty tight tensions, am I right?
I don't even have a 6x6 yet. Maybe I'll wait until CB or Yuxin make a great AND cheap 6x6

You pause litterally between every F2L OLL and PLL. Still your times are pretty good. I see some easy target practice for you only to focus on lookahead.

You are completely right. Thanks a lot for taking the time to watch the video and give me your feedback. I will have to work on lookahead a lot. I don't have any solves better than those on cam so I cannot be sure but when I get 13.xx to 15.xx solves I don't think I'm turning that much faster (maybe a little bit during LL) so it all has to come down to pauses... and getting rid of them. I wish I had caught that 15.xx from Saturday on cam (if I hadn't forgotten to turn it on) just to have something a little bit better to compare to. Maybe it's a good practise to record oneself more frequently while solving, I find it really eye opening when I do it. It might also help with getting used to it and not getting nervous.

 

[muchacho]

Reconstruction of one of my solves, it doesn't look very fast or efficient and includes "some" "small" pauses.

U2 L' D2 B2 U2 B2 L' B2 D2 L F2 U R' F' R' B' U L' U B2 L

z y'
M' F' U' M U2 F' R' U M L U' L' U2' M2' B // FB (15)
R2' U' M R' U' R U' M' R U' R' U' M R' U R U M' U2 R' U R // SB (22)
F U R U' R' F' // 2-look CMLL orient (6)
U2 M' U M' // bad edges (4)
R U2 R' U' R U2 L' U R' U' L // 2-look CMLL permute (11)
U2 M' U2 M' U2 // L-R edges (5)
M2' U M' U2 M U2 M2' (7)
alg.cubing.net

70 STM

 

[EvilGnome6]

Nice piece of solving. It looks like you have your AoShi on pretty tight tensions, am I right?
I don't even have a 6x6 yet. Maybe I'll wait until CB or Yuxin make a great AND cheap 6x6

The tensions are pretty tight out of necessity. If you've ever had a 6x6 explode on you, you'd understand. All those little spacers...

 

[mafergut]

The tensions are pretty tight out of necessity. If you've ever had a 6x6 explode on you, you'd understand. All those little spacers...

I can imagine. In fact, that famous 6x6 WR attempt explosion video comes to mind easily
As I said I don't have a 6x6. It takes me long enough to solve a 5x5 that I haven't felt the need to buy a 6x6 (or anything bigger) yet.

 

[EvilGnome6]

As I said I don't have a 6x6. It takes me long enough to solve a 5x5 that I haven't felt the need to buy a 6x6 (or anything bigger) yet.

I think your accurate turning style would lend itself well to big cubes. You need to make those precise, distinct turns because you can't rely on corner cutting to start pushing the next layer before the last one is aligned.

 

[Schmidt]

I challenge you to go to a competition now and get all orange

I just checked my profile and saw that all my OH entries ever are orange.. LOL My worst event..

Easy! I'll just enter in 5, 6 and OH XD

 

[mafergut]

I think your accurate turning style would lend itself well to big cubes. You need to make those precise, distinct turns because you can't rely on corner cutting to start pushing the next layer before the last one is aligned.

Just for the sake of my curiosity... where did you get the impression that my turning style is accurate? Because if it was from the Ao5 I uploaded yesterday, when watching it myself it feels sloppy and locky most of the time (maybe I'm trying to rush a bit too much).

Anyway, I think it's a good recommendation and I really enjoy practising 4x4 but I've been so focused in 3x3 (that obsession to become sub-20 and now sub-18...) that I have not practiced much big cubes. Now I also bought a CB 5x5 as well (I was not willing to pay for an Ao/Hua Chuang) and I'm learning Yau (for 4x4) but my first times (well over 2 minutes for 4x4) have been a bit discouraging. I guess I need to give it a bit more time for the center and edge pairing techniques to settle so that it all becomes more automatic. I also hate how my OLL recognition and my muscle memory of the algs are thrown off by big cubes to the point where I have to resort at times to 2L OLL.

Easy! I'll just enter in 5, 6 and OH XD

Checking your WCA profile you could also risk trying Feet, FMC, Mega, 3BLD and MBLD, skewb... ;-)

 

[EvilGnome6]

Just for the sake of my curiosity... where did you get the impression that my turning style is accurate?

I think spending a long time using a more blocky cube like the ChiLong results in a turning style that isn't as dependent on corner cutting. I think that's a kind of accuracy that people using bubbly cubes on loose tensions don't develop.

I guess I need to give it a bit more time for the center and edge pairing techniques to settle so that it all becomes more automatic. I also hate how my OLL recognition and my muscle memory of the algs are thrown off by big cubes to the point where I have to resort at times to 2L OLL.

Oh, it took me almost 3 months to get sub 2 on 4x4. Center and edge pairing required new spatial reasoning and I'm still learning how to cope with all the exception cases on 3-2-3. I also had to relearn many algorithms because muscle memory no longer worked. It's all frustrating. I do think it can help your 3x3 times if you use the forced slower turning to practice your look ahead skills.

 

[MarcelP]

Reconstruction of one of my solves, it doesn't look very fast or efficient and includes "some" "small" pauses.



U2 L' D2 B2 U2 B2 L' B2 D2 L F2 U R' F' R' B' U L' U B2 L

z y'
M' F' U' M U2 F' R' U M L U' L' U2' M2' B // FB (15)
R2' U' M R' U' R U' M' R U' R' U' M R' U R U M' U2 R' U R // SB (22)
F U R U' R' F' // 2-look CMLL orient (6)
U2 M' U M' // bad edges (4)
R U2 R' U' R U2 L' U R' U' L // 2-look CMLL permute (11)
U2 M' U2 M' U2 // L-R edges (5)
M2' U M' U2 M U2 M2' (7)
70 STM

I think you are doing allright there! FB and SB can be done in way less moves, but that will come in time.

z' y'
r2 B R' U2 F' // FB 5 moves instead of 15, very easy and obvious start (for me )

A Typical Roux solve with 2 step CMLL would be around 50 moves I think. Still, 33 secs is awesome. Right now I would not get 33 secs with Roux just like that. It would take some practice again.

And I would have probably made an extra move to preserve the bottom edge of the SB by doing FB like r2 B R' U M2 U F'

 

[muchacho]

Wow, nice FB!

I think it's time for me to start working hard on building the blocks more efficiently and making a better use of inspection time. CMLL will have to wait.