muchacho
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Is Ctrl, I'll try it, thanks.
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mafergut
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Interesting! In fact that might be a bit more difficult even than putting the palms on the pads of a real timer, as Ctrl keys are pretty small
Worth a try if it's free anyway, thanks!
Logiqx
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Very nice. I think I should start practicing OH again... I want to become sub-30!
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I have not practiced OH and I need to be able to do LL OH on my competition this weekend. I have forgotten all LL algs.. I might have to cancel that event.
mafergut
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I have not practiced OH and I need to be able to do LL OH on my competition this weekend. I have forgotten all LL algs.. I might have to cancel that event.
I'm lucky that I already used the <R, U> 2-gen algs for U-perms in 2H, but I had to learn the 2-gen H-perm (I am terrible at doing the M / M' / M2 with "table abuse"). I have still some PLLs to learn / re-learn (I hate OH amnesia!) for OH, namely the E-perm and both R-perms, all of which at the moment I do with and A-perm followed by either another A-perm (for E) or Jb-perm or whatever I get.
For all but H-perm I use the same PLL that I use for 2H but I had to re-learn all of them for OH anyway (but that takes much less than learning an entirely new alg) and some of them are pretty ugly for OH as they have lots of F/F', D/D', etc. Also for F-perm instead of my 2H alg, that has 2 cube rotations in the middle, I use the one that has a T-perm in the middle (R' U' F' T-perm except the last two moves, U R, or something like that).
With OLL it's more or less the same, many OLLs I use are terrible for OH, as they have f/f' or are completely lefty, like the little L that goes F' (L' U' L U)x2 F that I do with a z rotation but I almost always mess up. Also, like half of the OLLs I still can't do when OH so I have to go 2L OLL with those.
With all these shortcommings it's not strange that my OH LL is so bad currently.
h2f
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There was some recent talk here about 4x4 cubes. Does anybody have a shengshou? I bought it because it was the cheapest, but I have a very hard time with it. I can't solve it without a bazillion lock-ups. I just tried two 4BLD solves and it's a nightmare doing centers with all those slice moves (surprisingly solved centers correct both times, but messed up edges and corners). Would a different cube help, or is my turning just sloppy and I haven't had enough practice doing 4x4? I also have a shengshou 3x3 and it requires more precise turning (pieces don't have the rounded off inner corners like on other cubes).
I have ss v5, I just did 1:18.xx without warmup and parity thing, with easy centers. I have it for 2 years, did around 1k or 2k solves - no more. Than bought Aosu - it's much better. SS lockups a little but it's not so bad. It need regulation and lube. But if you can buy something better I recommend it.
moralsh
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Mafergut, Our OH times are quite similar, My PB is 29.15 PLL skip or 30.something full step, I can sub 40 an Ao5 but I'm usually a bit higher.
My OH PLLs are the exact same as my 2H PLL, and my Us are the M ones, I have somehow get used to it
Marcel, just practice de 2look algorythms, and try some edge control to get an easier case, but don't cancel the event, it's fun
today I just have skewb at 14:00, let's see what we can do...
My OH PLLs are the exact same as my 2H PLL, and my Us are the M ones, I have somehow get used to it
Marcel, just practice de 2look algorythms, and try some edge control to get an easier case, but don't cancel the event, it's fun
today I just have skewb at 14:00, let's see what we can do...
mafergut
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Mafergut, Our OH times are quite similar, My PB is 29.15 PLL skip or 30.something full step, I can sub 40 an Ao5 but I'm usually a bit higher.
My OH PLLs are the exact same as my 2H PLL, and my Us are the M ones, I have somehow get used to it
Marcel, just practice de 2look algorythms, and try some edge control to get an easier case, but don't cancel the event, it's fun
today I just have skewb at 14:00, let's see what we can do...
Hi Raúl. It looks like you're a bit faster than I am at OH. But I also love the event so I'll keep practising and improving. Curiously enough I also use the M algs for Us. I use the 2-gen algs for bar on front and the M algs for bar on back, but I hate the case with U' (I do it with the right index finger OH style but I usually lock up badly or even mess up the alg). Anyway, for OH I prefer to rotate the cube or AUF it so that bar is in front.
Good luck with the comp today. I would like to be able to attend soooo much
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EvilGnome6
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Hmmm. I have 3 AoSus and they were all crap out of the box. Maybe it was bad luck or everybody has had theirs for so long they have forgotten about the catchy/clicky center layers that take a few hundred solves to break in. That aside, it is much better than the ShengShou.
The YuXin is silky smooth out of the box but I don't think it stays as stable or holds a cube shape as well as the AoSu. In my mind that would be a hindrance with BLD.
mafergut
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I don't think I have done 100 solves on my AoSu yet. Also I don't remember it catching in the inner layers when it was new. I can record a video if you want showing how it turns, even though I'm a patzer at 4x4. Maybe I don't know better and that's why I think it's great.
I haven't even lubed it or anything.
Logiqx
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I have not practiced OH and I need to be able to do LL OH on my competition this weekend. I have forgotten all LL algs.. I might have to cancel that event.
Just do the beginner approach with 4 algs... OLL with two algs - Fat Sune for edges and Sune for corners.
That leaves PLL (a-perm or j-perm for corners) and a u-perm.
You can also use anti-sune to reduce move count during corner orientation, totalling 5 algs.
EvilGnome6
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I put together this OH 4 Look Last Layer sheet to learn OH. The 4 highlighted algs can be used as an OH beginners method.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/...e8ufMk5BmBNO8F69usWmweU/edit?usp=docslist_api
https://docs.google.com/document/d/...e8ufMk5BmBNO8F69usWmweU/edit?usp=docslist_api
Jason Green
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That's cool, if I start practicing OH some day I may use that!
I think someone mentioned filming a 4x4 ao12... I would probably be around 6 hours on that.
Logiqx
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I'd recommend using the adjacent flip alg for edge orientation. It comes up twice as often and it's faster than an opposite flip.
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mafergut
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Is it really faster for OH to do rUr'(RUR'U')rU'r' for opposite edge flip than F(RUR'U)F' ?
EvilGnome6
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I'd recommend using the adjacent flip alg for edge orientation. It comes up twice as often and it's faster than an opposite flip.
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That's a good point. I'll update my sheet.
Also, since it's a Google Doc, you should be able to make a copy and modify it to your liking.
EvilGnome6
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I can't do the F and F' turns without regripping which makes the standard alg kind of slow for me. Keep in mind I'm just learning OH so I'm not a good judge of what the best algorithms are. I just pulled them from Antoine Cantin's OH site.
mafergut
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If Antoine Cantin uses them then they must be faster but I'm so slow now that currently I'm actually faster with FRUR'U'F' because I cannot really benefit from the longer alg being 2-gen, even though I realize that the re-grip must take some time. Do you use (for F/F') this grip between index on U face and ring on D face? I'm starting to get used to it and, even though it takes some time, it's not as bad as I thought.
EvilGnome6
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I use my thumb to push up the F and my index finger to pull down the F'. That makes the regrips really bad.
mark49152
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Yeah that's a shame especially with it being so close to you, but never mind, you'll be at UKC right?
Good luck Marcel and everyone else competing this weekend!
