Older cubers discussions

I know two angles for around a dozen of the OLL cases and different OLL + PLL cases for OH and big cubes. More advanced guys know a lot more algs such as OLLCP algs for some OLL cases.

To be honest, I would not consider starting to learn full OLL until you are comfortably sub-25 with a view to knowing it all when you average around 20s.
Yeah I was thinking I would start when I am under 30. Some days I want to start sooner, and other days I want to wait until I am sub 20. I have considered just learning the dot cases for OLL right now, to save the extra sequence, but even for me that's probably only one second.
 
I'm organizing a competition in Arizona. The hardest part was finding a good venue. The best thing is that you get to pick the events and set the cutoff times. :)

The good thing is that even just doing it during daylight in a city park would be a great improvement, in that street we were just 15 meters away from an ongoing too noisy sound check for a concert.
 
Marcel, please, beat my average ;)

LOL. I hope so.. If I can stay relaxed it should be no problem to get sub 20 times.

Yeah I'll be at Cuthberts Open this weekend. I haven't done a lot of practice since ABHC, so my only real goal is to be more composed and not screw up as much. Like don't DNF a 3x3 average! I'll also be doing my first competition 4BLD attempt.

Good luck Mark!
To be honest, I would not consider starting to learn full OLL until you are comfortably sub-25 with a view to knowing it all when you average around 20s.

I started full OLL at 40 secs. I think the sooner you start to learn, the sooner they all will be natural. It took me a whole year to learn (and recognise in a speedsolve) all 57 cases.
 
I'm sub40 with some single sub30. I'm now trying to speed up my PLL (I know all but I easily reach 6s execution). This implies learning different tricks and is for me hard as new algs (find the way, doing hundreds tests).
After that I'll learn some new OLL, especially those with no edges correctly because these force me to apply 2OLL 2-3 times.
I did not plan to learn algs for LL from different positions, at the moment!
Sometimes I do only cross to avoid really terrible execution
 
I'm sub40 with some single sub30. I'm now trying to speed up my PLL (I know all but I easily reach 6s execution). This implies learning different tricks and is for me hard as new algs (find the way, doing hundreds tests).
After that I'll learn some new OLL, especially those with no edges correctly because these force me to apply 2OLL 2-3 times.
I did not plan to learn algs for LL from different positions, at the moment!
Sometimes I do only cross to avoid really terrible execution
At your speed, doing blind CROSS practice, and F2L practice (scramble cube do F2L and scramble again, over and over) can quickly take a few seconds of your average. Cross and F2L are the easiest parts to gain speed. I remember clearly doing 15 seconds over cross. That was when I was in the 1 minute range. Now I do cross plus 1F2L in 3 - 5 secs.. I never practiced speed on LL because I do not like spamming algs. When I repeat a PLL a few times, trying to make it faster, I tend to do other PLL's wrong since that last PLL that I practiced is becomming mussle memory for all my PLL's. LOL..
 
I learnt whole Fridrich when I was over 3 minutes or more. I just knew LBL with some CFOP issues like Niklas, sune and U perm, for 13 years, I had a very bad cube, and LBL got me bored. So I've never speedcubed. And 2 years ago when I saw people solving around I've just started with Fridrich and learnt all algs. Of course my times were dropping down during the process: I remeber breaking barier of 1:30, 1 min, and 40 seconds. It took me no more than 2 months to learn all algs (f2l, oll, pll) but it took longer to get good results. Sub30 ao 100 after 8 months and sub 25 after almost a year.

At the moment I practice algs: olls and plls. I wanna make them all sub-2. I think learning all of them as soon as you can is a good move. It takes time to be familiar with alg and not thinking about moves during execution.
 
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I learnt all but 20 or so OLLs within my first year of cubing, all but 5 or so within my second year and full OLL Like 4 months ago I average something in the 20-22 range. I've known many angles of some PLLs and OLLs since I learnt full PLL and every now and then I learn another one. I also don't stop improving my F2L cases, some still are ugly

I need some serious practice with last layer, I'm too slow
 
I started learning some CMLL cases when I was 1 minute or so, because I know it will take me a long time to learn them all and recognize, recall and execute them fast. And to have another thing to practice. Probably I could improve faster now if I just keep practicing the first 2 blocks, but I would get bored pretty soon.
 
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At your speed, doing blind CROSS practice, and F2L practice (scramble cube do F2L and scramble again, over and over) can quickly take a few seconds of your average. Cross and F2L are the easiest parts to gain speed. I remember clearly doing 15 seconds over cross. That was when I was in the 1 minute range. Now I do cross plus 1F2L in 3 - 5 secs.. I never practiced speed on LL because I do not like spamming algs. When I repeat a PLL a few times, trying to make it faster, I tend to do other PLL's wrong since that last PLL that I practiced is becomming mussle memory for all my PLL's. LOL..

I'm still able to do cross in 18s ... I'm practicing cross alone ... sometimes I do it in 2-3s, frequently in 6s
I do F2L very intuitively... I don't know if it is time to stop and thinking seriously on each case.
I know (read) but I'm not able to use "hole" or "double layer" technics.

By the way as soon as I configure my cam I'll do the avg12 video plus a single solve to be analyzed !!

PLL... it's 4 days a do only Gx ... I'll check if I have the same side effects !!
 
Yeah, recognizing cmlls is painfull. It takes me even 5 seconds. But on the other hand in CFOP noknowing them helpfull, some of them are very easy o recognize: Pi, H, T, L. And I know what to expect after oll and I can force COLL sometimes.
 
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I'm not an 'older' cuber, but I find it interesting that quite a considerable number of you guys in this thread learnt full OLL so early on. I'm nearly sub-12 and I only know around 40/57 of OLL.
 
I'm not an 'older' cuber, but I find it interesting that quite a considerable number of you guys in this thread learnt full OLL so early on. I'm nearly sub-12 and I only know around 40/57 of OLL.

That's because, you, younger cubers improve so fast that you don't have time to learn full OLL by the time you are already sub-15 at least. I started cubing 2 years ago and I'm still barely sub-20, I have had plenty of time to learn full OLL in these two years. Probably it's not helping me by more than a second in average but I just started learning them and, all of a sudden I had finished with the 57 cases. I wish it was the other way around and, all of a sudden I was sub-10 with just half of the OLLs memorized but, nope! :(
 
I started full OLL at 40 secs. I think the sooner you start to learn, the sooner they all will be natural.
I agree with Marcel. There's no point delaying learning. Better to learn new things continuously and steadily, without rushing, but understand what are the most worthwhile new things to learn and prioritise them accordingly. I also took around a year to learn full OLL, but did the following analysis to work out which OLL groups were most worthwhile to learn, then learned those first:-

https://www.speedsolving.com/forum/...hen-and-how-to-move-from-2-look-to-1-look-OLL
 
I'm not an 'older' cuber, but I find it interesting that quite a considerable number of you guys in this thread learnt full OLL so early on. I'm nearly sub-12 and I only know around 40/57 of OLL.

Yeah, but I am pretty sure, that on the OLL's that you do not know, you know what 'OLL'-alg to perform on such case, and know in what of the known OLL's it will result in. Meaning, your 2L OLL is still probably faster than us Oldies 1L OLL ;) At 40 seconds a 1L OLL vs 2LL (or even 3LL in some cases) will shave on 5 - 10 seconds easily. At your speed it might result maybe in 1 seconds better averages.. If it was to me I rather be averaging 12 seconds wil 2 look OLL :)
 
I agree with Marcel. There's no point delaying learning. Better to learn new things continuously and steadily, without rushing, but understand what are the most worthwhile new things to learn and prioritise them accordingly. I also took around a year to learn full OLL, but did the following analysis to work out which OLL groups were most worthwhile to learn, then learned those first:-

https://www.speedsolving.com/forum/...hen-and-how-to-move-from-2-look-to-1-look-OLL
Cool I'll check that out!
 
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