CLLEF, the evil twin of COLL

Lt-UnReaL said:
LarsN said:
@Kenneth
Your example wouldn't work for the idea I had with CLLEF, because it's for the corner cases with all edges flipped.

The only sune variant that I found for CLLEF was this:
r U2 R' U' R U' r2 U2 R U R' U r (and the inverse)

Do you know any other that would flip 4 edges?
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r' R2 U R' U r U2 r' U M' (and the mirror)
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lol, did not read that far into the tread before replying to Lars but yes, that's the one but I think I used the inverse =)
 
About half the cases are up on the wiki CxLL page. It's the U T and L cases.
I'm in the process of putting these algs into musclememory, which is why some algs might change if I find them too tricky (and if I find a better ones).

If you happen to know or find better CLLEF algs, please add them or post them here. Then I will add them.
 
Lt-UnReaL said:
Kenneth said:
I like this "2-gen"

r U r' U2 r U2 R' U2 R U' r' .. the Bruno case

l' U' l U2 l' U2 L U2 L' U l ... mirror
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Wow...those algs are nice. How come I never heard of them before? Everyone seems to do the F R U R' U' F' version of it...
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The F R U one was on my CLLEF list, but I like these too. Doing the mirrored one with a z rotation feels good :)
 
Lt-UnReaL said:
Kenneth said:
I like this "2-gen"

r U r' U2 r U2 R' U2 R U' r' .. the Bruno case

l' U' l U2 l' U2 L U2 L' U l ... mirror
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Wow...those algs are nice. How come I never heard of them before? Everyone seems to do the F R U R' U' F' version of it...
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I don't know, I found it myself, from undoing a pair of the first layer and then put it back diffrently.


BTW: I read CLLEF as CLEFF, it's much easier to pronounce :D
 
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This is a great idea Lars! I've already started to learn them. I think the alg for case U B on the wiki page is incorrect though, so I wanted to you know about that. But yeah, I really like this idea and I've already learned all of the U cases (except for U B). I love how recognition is exactly the same as COLL... it doesn't really feel like I am learning anything new because of that, just some really nice tricks to turn bad cases into good ones. The ironic thing is I've started getting back into ZB this past week, and now I am learning an alg set for when no LL edges are oriented :P

edit: Figured out what the problem was. Instead of (y') R B' R B2 U B' R' U2 R y' L U2 L', it should be (y') R B' R' B2 U B' R' U2 R y' L U2 L'
 
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This is one for U D, I used to use it for only edge orientation before I lerned VH/ZB-F2L because it is the fastest I know for that.

R U2 l' U' r' U2 r U l U2 R'
L' U2 r U l U2 l' U' r' U2 L ... mirror


Another one, does a Sune case, or actually it is two algs at once, look at this:

alg 1: M' U2 M U2 M' U M U' M' U2 M ... ELL
alg 2: R U2 R' L' U2 R U R' U2 L R U2 R' ... COLL

both at once: (M' R) U2 (M R') L U2 (M' R) U' (M R') U2 L (M' R) U2 (M R')

Shorted: r U2 (r' L') U2 r U' r' U2 (L r) U2 r' ... the (r' L') and (L r) are done as one turn so it makes 11.
 
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Kenneth said:
Recognition, most ELL's are fast but not all, EPLL is always fast. Recognition for the corners are the same in both cases. CLLEF will save turns too. 12 + 7 (STM) = 19 turns on average for the whole LL (CLL-ELL is like 22 or so) that is only beaten by ZBLL.
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But for this situation, if you do COLL on the CLLEF cases, you only have 5 ELLs to choose. How good are these algs?
 
Hadley4000 said:
That is a very interesting idea, that I really like. However, 12 move average that is 6 gen seems a little iffy to me.
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Who said it was 6-gen? I stated that it COULD be shorter but then it would be 6-gen.

Jason Baum said:
This is a great idea Lars! I've already started to learn them. I think the alg for case U B on the wiki page is incorrect though, so I wanted to you know about that. But yeah, I really like this idea and I've already learned all of the U cases (except for U B). I love how recognition is exactly the same as COLL... it doesn't really feel like I am learning anything new because of that, just some really nice tricks to turn bad cases into good ones. The ironic thing is I've started getting back into ZB this past week, and now I am learning an alg set for when no LL edges are oriented :P

@Kenneth, I've added your alg for the sune case. It's a lot better than the one I found.
edit: I added your Sune alg Kenneth. It's a lot better than the one I had found. The U D one you mention is essentially the same as I've put there, but your notation might be better...

edit: I added your Sune alg Kenneth. It's a lot better than the one I had found. The U D one you mention is essentially the same as I've put there, but your notation might be better...
edit: Figured out what the problem was. Instead of (y') R B' R B2 U B' R' U2 R y' L U2 L', it should be (y') R B' R' B2 U B' R' U2 R y' L U2 L'
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I'm glad you like it Jason :) I thought of you while I was finding the algs, because not that many are willing to learn all those algs. But then I remembered you were learning cases for all edges oriented.
I've corrected the U B case, thanks :)
 
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Kenneth said:
Ah, I think CLL.

Well, if you do COLL you will have 5 cases.

U is horrible, my fast alg is 14 STM, my short 12. H and no perm are both 11 and Z you can do in 9.

U occures 8:12 times :(

Like to have the algs?
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Yes.
I suppose I can use Erik's site, but not sure if he has all cases or you might use different algs.
 
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