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mark49152 said:
That's really good - you have obviously done some searching and found some great algs - thanks. I will take a couple of those.

Here are the ones I use that you don't have listed:-
R' F R2 U' R2 F R (Pi OLL)
R2 U R2 U' R2 U R2 U' R2 (adjacent bottom, diagonal top - very easy to learn but frantic on the wrist)
R' U R' F2 R F' U R' F2 R F' R (diagonal top - a variant of the adjacent top that flows nicely for me)
R2 U' R' U R' F2 R F' R' F2 (adjacent bottom - another variant of the nice adjacent top alg)
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Thanks for those suggestions. The Pi case is really nice and the adjacent bottom cases (bar on left) will supplement my existing algs nicely. I'll try to integrate them into my solves.

I think I played with your Y-perm when I was trying out algs but I think I can execute the other one slightly quicker.

I notice there is a newbie competitor called Mark signed up for the ABHC competition. Is that you by any chance?
 
Logiqx said:
Thanks for those suggestions. The Pi case is really nice and the adjacent bottom cases (bar on left) will supplement my existing algs nicely. I'll try to integrate them into my solves.
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Since I posted that, I've started reversing the U and U' in the adjacent bottom diagonal top alg. Flows slightly better for me that way.

Also I know you're working on prediction - does that Pi OLL work for you? I don't have a cube with me to check, but I think it swaps pieces on the bottom.

I doubt I will be able to go to ABHC. It's a long way from home for me and on bank hols I usually have family commitments.
 
mark49152 said:
Pi OLL work for you? I don't have a cube with me to check, but I think it swaps pieces on the bottom.
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Good point... it is an EG-1 alg and swaps the front pieces. I may not use it for now as it'll add some thinking during the solve.

mark49152 said:
I doubt I will be able to go to ABHC. It's a long way from home for me and on bank hols I usually have family commitments.
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It's only 15 minutes for me which is a good reason for me to try to make it. :)

Where are you located btw?
 
MarcelP said:
ps I did not even register for 5X5 since I am still averaging 5 minutes and the cutoffs to steep for me.
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I'm thinking I probably won't do 5x5 at the competition in August. It's only 6 weeks away so I am going to dedicate my big cube time to 4x4 which is generally better than my 5x5.

I've been making some tweaks to my 4x4 solves over the past couple of days and they're starting to pay off. Today's Ao5/12/50 was 01:28.95/01:30.32/01:35.92

Other news... I have finished learning full OLL for OH. I still need to "think" my way through some of them but they're probably faster than 2 look and they'll slowly work into my muscle memory.
 
Logiqx said:
Where are you located btw?
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North west, not far from Liverpool.

Logiqx said:
I've been making some tweaks to my 4x4 solves over the past couple of days and they're starting to pay off. Today's Ao5/12/50 was 01:28.95/01:30.32/01:35.92
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Great, what have you tweaked, and what method do you use? I have done quite a bit of 4x4 over the last couple of weeks but am still a few seconds outside the PBs I set back in Oct 2014. I'm averaging about 1:25 using Hoya with 3-2-3 pairing and 4LLL with parity fixes built in. I'm working on trying to improve the efficiency of my Hoya cross, and trying to use 1L OLL more often when there's no parity. Some of my 3x3 OLLs just don't flow for me on bigger cubes.
 
mark49152 said:
North west, not far from Liverpool.

Great, what have you tweaked, and what method do you use? I have done quite a bit of 4x4 over the last couple of weeks but am still a few seconds outside the PBs I set back in Oct 2014. I'm averaging about 1:25 using Hoya with 3-2-3 pairing and 4LLL with parity fixes built in. I'm working on trying to improve the efficiency of my Hoya cross, and trying to use 1L OLL more often when there's no parity. Some of my 3x3 OLLs just don't flow for me on bigger cubes.
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Near Liverpool... I occasionally visit West Kirby to speed sail on the marine lake (flat water next to the wall) but I only do it a few times each year.

I use Yau for the 4x4, typically using half centres during L4C. I use 3-2-3 for the L8E and a single OLL parity alg after which I can do 1-look OLL in most solves. I'm getting better at spotting PLL parity and in some cases I know how to influence the PLL (e.g. T-perm instead of F-perm) by choosing the best angle to apply the parity alg. I use a few different PLLs; RU U-perms and Z-perm (instead of MU) being the most notable but a couple of RUF algs instead of RUD. Sometimes I use 2-gen OLLs or rRU algs from my OH set if it doesn't require an AUF to set up.

The tweaks mainly relate to my cross edges. After watching a couple of walkthrough solves, I realised that I often pair up the first 3 cross edges inefficiently and my last cross edge was always very inefficient. During the 3-2-3 stage there are also some special cases which can be handled better and one of the nice ones is when it ends with 2+2. It is most efficient to solve a single edge, forcing a fast 3-cycle (5 moves) for the final 3 edges. Apart from that I've been trying to plan more of the F2C and make my solves flow better.

I like the idea of Hoya but I use free slice on the 5x5 upwards and I like Yau on the 4x4. :)
 
OMG, just had my second 10 ever

46. 10.94 B' U' F' U2 F U' R' D L' U F2 D F2 U B2 R2 U2 D F2 L2 R'
x2 y2 // inspection
F'L' D L R' F D2 // cross (7)
y' U2 L' U' L // 1st (5)
y' U L' U L //2nd (5)
y' U' F U' F' //3rd (5)
y' F U2 F' U F U' F' //4th (8)
U2 F R U' R' U' R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R F' U' //PLL (19)
49 moves = 4.47

If that was not the longest PLL I had... it might have been a sub 10 (again)
Cube: Moyu Hualong
x2 y2 // inspectionF' L' D L R' F D2 // cross (7)y' U2 L' U' L // 1st (5)y' U L' U L //2nd (5)y' U' F U' F' //3rd (5)y' F U2 F' U F U'F' //4th (8)U2 F R U' R' U' R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R F' U' //PLL (20)
 
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MarcelP said:
y' U2 L' U' L // 1st (5)
y' U L' U L //2nd (5)
y' U' F U' F' //3rd (5)
y' F U2 F' U F U' F' //4th (8)
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Nice time. So many F moves as well! :)

In answer to your earlier question, I was not aware of the CycloneBoys 5X5.

I ordered some cubes and I'll collect them from the mail depot tomorrow; LingPo, Mini AoSu, Mini WeiLong and spare HuaLong.

I'm improving at 4x4 and starting to get a sub-1:30 Ao5 daily. My last two sessions (Ao15/Ao20) have been 1:33 so I am making progress.

I also had my first sub-37/36 OH Ao50 tonight (35.87). I'm pleased the ABHC cut-off is likely to be 1:00 as I occasionally mess up and get times around 45s.
 
Logiqx said:
In answer to your earlier question, I was not aware of the CycloneBoys 5X5.
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I missed that one. I might try this cube. I have ShengShou, AoChuang and HuaChang but none are great for me. AoChang feels great but still locks too much. Last week it locked solid and I had to dismantle and reassemble it, which took about an hour. Too annoying!
 
mark49152 said:
I missed that one. I might try this cube. I have ShengShou, AoChuang and HuaChang but none are great for me. AoChang feels great but still locks too much. Last week it locked solid and I had to dismantle and reassemble it, which took about an hour. Too annoying!
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Ah... I'd forgotten about that characteristic of the AoChuang.
 
mark49152 said:
Nice solve Marcel. Curious, but why do you rotate and solve pairs on the F face?
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I make lot of use of thumb and index finger (the finger that points) on F moves in order to avoid rotations. This solve was very high on F moves :) Not typical for me. I think it was more of an accident since I could see the next pair on all moves waaaay before I needed to see them. I think I did the F moves because I thought the pair after that would become easier. I probably thought wrong but it worked out nicely :)
 
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