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[MarcelP]

How about something like:

F' R' F' R' U' F' B2 D' B2 U' R F R' D R B' R2 F2 R' F' R2 D' R' L D
x2 y' // inspection, yeah white cross
R B' L' R2 D // cross
U2 L' U L // lucky pair 1
R' U2 R //lucky pair 2

 

[Logiqx]

That's what I see when trying to reconstruct but it leads me to a different LL every time.

I just attempted to do some recording and caught a decent single... 14.43:

Scramble:
R2 D2 U2 F' R2 U2 B U2 R2 B' F D' B' U L' R2 D R2 B F' L2

Solution:
z2 y'
r U' r' L' u' R2
U' y' R U R'
U' y R' U' R
R U' R' U R U R'
U' L U' L' U L U L'
U' r U R' U' r' R U R U' R'
U R U' R' U' R U R D R' U' R D' R' U2 R' U'

OLL was finished by 10.30s but I butchered the PLL!

 

[MarcelP]

That's what I see when trying to reconstruct but it leads me to a different LL every time.

I just attempted to do some recording and caught a decent single... 14.43:

Scramble:
R2 D2 U2 F' R2 U2 B U2 R2 B' F D' B' U L' R2 D R2 B F' L2

Solution:
z2 y'
r U' r' L' u' R2
U' y' R U R'
U' y R' U' R
R U' R' U R U R'
U' L U' L' U L U L'
U' r U R' U' r' R U R U' R'
U R U' R' U' R U R D R' U' R D' R' U2 R' U'

OLL was finished by 10.30s but I butchered the PLL!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbLR8VdpqRw

Nice!! Smooth and slow turning except OLL and PLL. 30 secs inspection must have done the trick LOL

 

[Logiqx]

Lol, yes... 19 seconds by my reckoning.

I've had my first sub-40 OH session.

Spoiler

Generated By csTimer on 2015-5-7
solves/total: 19/19

single
best: 31.45
worst: 48.59

mean of 3
current: 39.61 (σ = 3.78)
best: 35.70 (σ = 3.92)

avg of 5
current: 37.72 (σ = 1.32)
best: 36.73 (σ = 1.18)

avg of 12
current: 38.72 (σ = 2.41)
best: 38.47 (σ = 1.91)

Average: 39.16 (σ = 3.11)
Mean: 39.25

Time List:
1. 41.26 F2 U' B2 R2 L D' R B' D B2 D2 B2 D2 L' B2 L' B2 D2 R2 D2
2. 43.75 U2 L2 F' D2 R2 D2 B D2 B F' U' L D2 F R D F' L2 F'
3. 39.17 R F2 B' L B2 U' F' B' U' B2 R2 D2 B2 U R2 D' B2 D' B2 L
4. 31.45 F L2 U2 B R2 D2 U2 F' R2 F' D2 R D' B R B2 L U L' F2 D
5. 36.47 R2 D2 R' F' L B R' F D' U2 F2 B2 R L2 D2 L2 D2 B2 L2
6. 43.92 B' R2 B U' L' D2 R F2 L F' L2 B R2 F D2 F U2 D2 F L2
7. 41.24 F D2 R2 B2 F' U2 R2 U2 R2 B' D' R2 U L' R B F2 D2
8. 36.11 D F2 D L2 B2 D F2 D F2 U' L' U F L B2 F R B R B'
9. 39.61 F' R' L2 B2 U' F D B' U R U2 F2 B2 R D2 R U2 R' F2 L2
10. 40.52 D B2 R2 B2 R2 D B2 D2 L2 F2 R2 B' R U' F R U B2 L R U'
11. 38.25 U2 B2 R2 D B2 U' B2 F2 L2 D' B2 R B F D' R2 B2 R' F2 L'
12. 48.59 L2 B L2 B F2 U2 F' U2 L2 F' R B' F' D U2 R B' D' F R'
13. 35.86 D2 R2 F2 R' U2 B2 D2 R2 D2 R F' R U' F' U2 L' U' F D
14. 39.93 L' B2 R2 U2 R2 B' D2 U2 L2 B D2 U2 R' U' L2 D' B2 R F L2 B2
15. 38.07 L2 R2 U L2 D' R2 F2 U B2 F2 U2 R' B F2 D L' R' B' U' F2 R'
16. 32.77 U L2 D B2 R2 U R2 U2 F2 L2 F' R2 U B D F2 L' R2 B'
17. 36.27 B2 F2 D2 B2 R2 D' F2 D F2 L2 R B2 F' D F' L' F U R2 D
18. 38.84 D2 F U2 F' B2 R' B' U L' U L2 D2 F2 U B2 U' R2 B2 L2 D'
19. 43.72 R2 F2 U L2 U2 F2 R2 U2 B2 D L' D U2 B' U2 R' D' B U B2

The fastest Ao12 / Ao5 is on YouTube. The Ao5 starts at 6:43...

 

[MarcelP]

Very good! I could never do that!

 

[Logiqx]

Very good! I could never do that!

Thanks. You surely can do it but it will take a bit of practice.

 

[Logiqx]

Lunchtime session... I seem to be on a roll with my OH solves.

Mean of 38.09 after 29 solves (Ao5 33.31, Ao12 36.80) and a full step single of 25.63.

Scramble:
U2 L2 R2 B2 D L2 U B2 R2 U2 F2 B' D2 F R2 D' F L2 R D R

Solution:
z2 y
u2' R L F' L2' // Cross (5/5)
R' U2' R U' y' L U L' // F2L #1 (7/12)
U' R' U' R L' U L // F2L #2 (7/19)
y R U' R' // F2L #3 (3/22)
U2' y' R U' R' U2' R U' R' // F2L #4 (8/30)
R U R' U R U2' R' // OLL (7/37)
U R U' R U R U R U' R' U' R2 U' // PLL (13/50)

 

[MarcelP]

Lunchtime session... I seem to be on a roll with my OH solves.

Mean of 38.09 after 29 solves (Ao5 33.31, Ao12 36.80) and a full step single of 25.63.

Scramble:
U2 L2 R2 B2 D L2 U B2 R2 U2 F2 B' D2 F R2 D' F L2 R D R

Solution:
z2 y
u2' R L F' L2' // Cross (5/5)
R' U2' R U' y' L U L' // F2L #1 (7/12)
U' R' U' R L' U L // F2L #2 (7/19)
y R U' R' // F2L #3 (3/22)
U2' y' R U' R' U2' R U' R' // F2L #4 (8/30)
R U R' U R U2' R' // OLL (7/37)
U R U' R U R U R U' R' U' R2 U' // PLL (13/50)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJeKVqMU1Ow

LOL, that end 25 secs is pretty awesome... I have done a few sup 25 solves with 2H today

 

[Logiqx]

Hehe... I'm assuming you're referring to my thumbs up as opposed to the easy LL cases.

Are you tempted to give OH a proper try yet? I think my left hand is becoming more dextrous than it has been for years!

 

[MarcelP]

Tempted a bit yeah. I did a few OH solves yesterday.. but I did not know a single OLL any more.. LOL Time to bring out my OH cheat cheat.

Then make Headlights on all sides:
R' U L' U2 R U' R' U2 R L (PERFORM with BAR or HEADLIGHTS on F)

Which results in one of these:

 

[Logiqx]

Cool. Here are another couple of suggestions for headlights and chameleon.

I use Sune / anti-sune mirrors which include a small cancellation (R2).

U - R U R’ U R U2’ R2 U’ R U’ R’ U2’ R
T - R U2’ R’ U’ R U’ R2 U2’ R U R’ U R

Learning to mirror front and back can save a bit of time.

Wide versions can also be used for Bunny and Mickey cases. They can also be mirrored F/B:

18 - r U R' U R U2 r2 U' R U' R' U2 r
19 - r' U2 R U R' U r2 U2 R' U' R U' r'

The same principal can also be used for two of the awkward cases:

29 - (r U2 R' U' R U' r') (R' U2 R U R' U R)
30 - (r' U2 R U R' U r) (R U2 R' U' R U' R')

For all of these cases the recognition and initial AUF is all about the mis-oriented corners.


Good luck with the OH!

 

[Logiqx]

This thread has gone very quiet. How's the OH going Marcel?

I just did my first Ao100. Unfortunately I wasn't recording... I'd have liked to have caught the best singles - 22.61 and 24.07.

Spoiler

Generated By csTimer on 2015-5-19
solves/total: 100/100

single
best: 22.61
worst: 53.61

mean of 3
current: 42.61 (σ = 4.69)
best: 32.63 (σ = 8.68)

avg of 5
current: 40.77 (σ = 0.25)
best: 34.03 (σ = 0.34)

avg of 12
current: 40.43 (σ = 3.71)
best: 35.17 (σ = 2.42)

avg of 50
current: 39.55 (σ = 3.78)
best: 38.63 (σ = 3.76)

avg of 100
current: 39.70 (σ = 4.12)
best: 39.70 (σ = 4.12)

Average: 39.70 (σ = 4.12)
Mean: 39.63

Time List:
1. 34.59 R2 F' U B U D L F' R' B2 R2 D' F2 B2 U' B2 U2 L2 U' R2
2. 42.29 F L2 B2 F' D2 F D2 L2 B' U2 R' B2 R D' F2 R' B U2 F'
3. 38.93 F' L2 B U2 F2 R2 U2 L2 B U2 F' D B L F' U2 L2 D' F' U' R2
4. 32.20 L2 F2 D' U2 B2 U L2 D L2 R U' B' L D' B' F' L2 U' L2 R'
5. 38.83 B2 L2 B2 D' B2 U' L2 B2 F2 U B2 L' B' D' B' R' U B2 L' R' U'
6. 39.47 R' F' B R' F L2 D2 F U' D2 B' D2 L2 B' R2 F U2 F' L2 B2
7. 46.11 L F2 L2 R U2 R B2 F2 D2 F2 L B' U L2 D L' B2 D' B' F' R
8. 38.41 B' D F2 D2 F2 D B2 D R2 D F2 R' F L F2 L' U R B'
9. 51.27 B' F2 L2 B2 U2 F2 U2 F2 L B2 R F2 D L' B F R' F D' L U2
10. 36.94 D2 F' U2 B L2 B' U2 B' R2 D2 U2 L' U' R2 U B2 D L2 B F2
11. 33.18 D' R D2 R2 U L B' L' B2 D2 L2 B2 R2 D' R2 F2 D2 L'
12. 37.67 R' F2 U2 R B2 D2 B2 D2 L D2 L B' R2 D2 F U F' L2 B U'
13. 47.13 U2 L F2 R' U B D' F' R' L2 U2 B R2 B' D2 B' U2 D2 B D
14. 40.82 F U2 R U F R D F' L' U F2 D R2 U2 R2 U2 L2 D
15. 34.25 B2 F' D2 L2 B' U2 R2 U2 B2 F' D' R' F U' B R' U' L D2 F'
16. 41.36 B2 L2 F2 R2 U2 B' L2 F2 R2 D2 F2 D B2 U' R' B D2 L' F' L2 R
17. 46.68 U B2 L' D2 B2 L' F2 D2 B2 L' B2 R B' U2 L D' L' R' U2 F'
18. 38.27 L' U2 F2 L D2 R F2 U2 R2 U2 R' U' F2 R D2 R F' L F2 L U'
19. 35.68 U' L U' R B U F2 D' R L2 F2 U F2 D' B2 R2 D2 F2 B2
20. 42.73 D2 L' D L' F U2 B R' U L' U D2 F2 U2 F2 R2 F2 U' B2 D' F2
21. 36.05 D' R U' L' F' R' B2 R' U' F R2 B2 U2 F2 B2 R2 D' R2 B2 U F2
22. 46.05 R F2 U2 L2 F' U2 F R2 U2 F U' F2 L' D U'
23. 28.76 D U F2 D' R2 U L2 F2 R2 F2 U B' U2 L' B U F' R' D L R2
24. 34.50 L2 B2 U L2 U R2 F2 D L2 U' R' U' L2 U2 F2 R2 D2 F R2
25. 45.30 F2 U2 L2 B2 U L2 D F2 L2 U B2 L R D F R2 D2 R' U' R2 B
26. 40.61 F2 U2 R2 B' F' D2 U2 R2 F D' B2 L F L' R' D' L2 B F2
27. 34.97 D2 F2 R' F2 L U2 B2 R F2 D2 U' L U2 F2 L F R2 U L R'
28. 41.73 F R' B' U2 L' F' R D L U B2 D2 F U2 R2 B U2 B D2 R2 D2
29. 41.70 D2 F2 U2 L' R2 F2 L' D2 R' F2 D2 B D' R' F R' D U F2 L'
30. 42.01 F B L' B' U F R2 U2 R' F2 R2 D B2 L2 D B2 U' L2 U' D' L'
31. 37.60 R' D2 U2 L' F2 R2 B2 L2 U2 R' D2 U' B U2 B' D' B R' F' R'
32. 47.01 U L' F U D' R' U2 B' U L' U' D' F2 L2 B2 R2 F2 D F2
33. 45.78 U R2 U2 R2 D' B2 U2 L2 U' R2 U' F' D' L' R2 D' U2 F D B2 F'
34. 36.61 D' F2 U2 R2 F2 U2 R F2 R' D2 U2 L B' R' U' L' B2 D F' R' D'
35. 43.12 F D2 L2 U B2 L2 D R2 D B2 R2 U2 B L F2 R F2 D F' L' U
36. 40.45 F2 D2 R2 D B2 D' B2 D F2 R F D2 R' D' U L' U L2 F2
37. 40.30 R D2 B2 F2 D R2 D2 B2 F2 R2 U L2 R' F2 R' B L2 F' U2 R B
38. 47.29 F2 U L2 F2 L2 F2 D' F2 R2 D' U' F' D' L2 D' U' B L' D R2 F2
39. 29.86 B L2 D' L U B L F' B R2 B2 R2 D L2 D' F2 B2 L2 D L2
40. 47.69 L D' R2 D F2 U' L2 B2 L2 U2 F2 U2 R F' D2 B L2 U' B2 L' D2
41. 40.56 L2 B2 D2 F L2 F' L2 R2 U2 F U' R2 U L' D2 L2 F R' D' B2
42. 46.73 R2 U2 B' F2 U2 L2 R2 U2 L2 B' F2 U' L' D' U2 R' B F' L' D' L
43. 44.28 B2 R2 D F2 D' F2 L2 F2 D2 U' B2 F' D2 R B D' B2 R D2 L2 R'
44. 40.78 F' D2 L2 F2 L2 B U2 B' L2 U2 B2 L' U R' D B' U2 R' U B2 L'
45. 41.66 F' U2 F D2 L2 B' U2 L2 F2 D2 L2 D' R F2 D U' L' U' L2 U F2
46. 34.12 D' L' U2 F2 D2 B2 R2 D2 R2 U2 L F' D2 R F2 R' U R U' R
47. 32.95 B' L B U' R2 L F U2 B2 R2 U2 B2 R2 L U2 D2 F2 R2 F'
48. 37.78 R2 B2 D2 U F2 U R2 U R2 U B' R2 U2 L' D' B L D U2
49. 34.32 F2 R' F2 L2 F2 R U2 R F2 L F' D' U2 L2 R B2 R2 D' B' U'
50. 33.66 R L2 U2 F D2 B' L2 D2 B2 U2 B' L2 R B' U2 F' R F' U L
51. 37.89 R D' L2 F' R U2 F' D L B L2 F2 U2 F L2 D2 F2 D2 F2 L2
52. 32.56 R2 F2 D R2 D R2 F2 U' B2 F L' U' L' F R' F' U' L D'
53. 37.59 F2 L2 D F2 L2 U B2 D2 U' R2 U R' B' L' U2 L' F R' D2 U
54. 38.31 R U D' L D2 B' U B R2 F2 R2 L2 D' B2 R2 L2 D' B2 U2 F'
55. 32.53 U2 L2 U2 R2 U2 F2 D2 B' L2 F' R2 U' B' L2 B U2 L D B2 U' F
56. 31.94 L2 F' B2 R2 F D L B' D2 R2 L2 F L2 B U2 D2 F U2 L
57. 39.21 L' F2 U L2 U R2 B2 U' L2 D2 R2 B2 R D2 F L D L2 B L2
58. 42.06 B F2 L2 D F2 U' B2 U' R2 D2 F2 D2 R U2 L' F' L2 B2 R' B2
59. 39.50 L2 B2 D' L2 D' B2 R2 U L2 B2 U2 L' B' R2 B' U2 B' D R U2 B
60. 35.86 D U2 R2 B' U2 F2 U2 F' L2 F' R2 F2 D' R' F R' D' R2 D' U2
61. 31.91 B2 L2 D2 B2 L2 B L2 D2 B' U F2 D L2 D R' D2 B U F2
62. 40.40 R' L2 F' R2 F2 D2 B L2 F2 D2 F' R2 U R B2 U2 L2 F D' B2
63. 42.49 U2 B' D2 U2 B2 R2 F D2 B2 L2 U2 R' B2 U B L U R2 B U' R'
64. 38.18 D' L2 D2 R2 B2 F2 U F2 R2 U L2 F' U2 B L B F' R' U' F2 L'
65. 41.28 R2 D' U' R2 F2 U2 B2 D L2 F R D' F L' B U2 F' D F'
66. 46.21 D' F2 U' B2 D L2 U2 F2 U' L2 U R B U' F L2 D' U' L2 D' L
67. 40.90 D2 F L2 B2 D2 L2 F' U2 F' U2 F' U F2 R D' F' R2 U L' U F2
68. 40.30 L2 D2 F2 D' F2 U B2 R2 D' U' B2 R B L2 B D R' F' U' L' B
69. 40.80 L2 D' U2 F2 U B2 L2 B2 F2 D2 B2 L D' L F L' F' D B' F' R'
70. 39.01 F2 R2 U B2 U F2 D' R2 U L2 U B' L' R2 B D' B2 U2 R2 F D
71. 37.63 F' D2 L2 F' L2 R2 B D2 U2 F U2 R B' F2 R D' B2 R B' L F'
72. 37.65 F2 U' L2 U' L U2 B R2 F R' D2 L2 D F2 U2 F2 D R2 L2 D F2
73. 22.61 R' F2 B D' L' U D B2 L D' F2 R2 B2 R2 D' B2 U L2 F2 D'
74. 40.22 L F2 R2 U' L2 D U F2 D' R2 F2 U2 F' L2 U' B2 F U R' D' F
75. 38.35 B2 D R2 B D2 F2 L' B' U R' L2 U2 B2 R2 D2 B2 R U2 B2 U2
76. 30.06 U2 L2 D2 B2 U2 L F2 L' B2 R' B2 D B' U' B U' R' U L D2
77. 43.33 B U F' B2 L2 D R U' R U2 F2 U2 L D2 F2 L' U2 B2 L U'
78. 44.42 F L D B L B2 R L2 D' F2 R2 F2 L' U2 L U2 R2 B2 L' D2
79. 24.07 D2 L2 F2 U' F2 U2 R2 D U' R2 F' D' L' D2 R' U L' B2 F U'
80. 42.95 F2 D2 R2 D' F2 R2 U R2 B2 F2 U L' U2 R F2 U2 L2 U L' F U2
81. 53.61 D2 F2 D' L2 U2 B2 R2 D' F2 U2 R2 F' L B2 U R D' F L2 D' B
82. 38.47 R' D R2 U' R2 D L2 D' F2 U2 B2 U' L D2 U' R U F U' L D
83. 38.20 B2 U2 L2 F2 R2 B R2 U2 L2 D2 F D L' D2 U2 B L F L B2 U'
84. 53.35 L2 F2 U' B2 F2 U' F2 U2 B2 R2 F R2 D B' F' L B L2 R U'
85. 48.31 R2 D2 R' U2 R2 D2 F2 R' D2 B2 D2 B' D2 F L' U' B2 D R2 F' U
86. 41.84 R2 U L' B2 U' F R' B' U' L F2 B2 D' L2 U2 D' F2 D F2 L2 D2
87. 43.53 L2 B2 R2 U' L2 R2 U L2 U R2 U L' D2 U' F' L2 B D2 L2 D' L2
88. 37.35 B2 U2 L' F2 U' F B2 D B2 R2 B2 D2 B2 U' B2 D F2 R
89. 37.01 L' U2 B2 R B2 L D2 B2 U2 R U2 F' U' F U' B' U' B2 F' L2
90. 35.01 R2 D' B2 R2 U L2 F2 D' B2 R' D' L F' L' U2 L U' B' D'
91. 36.72 F L2 R2 D2 L2 B L2 R2 B' D2 U2 L B2 D' L2 U F2 R2 U2 F R'
92. 47.54 B' L' D' F B R' U F2 B R L2 U2 D2 B' L2 F2 D2 F' L2 B R2
93. 39.92 B U2 L2 D2 R2 F2 L2 U' L2 D2 B2 R2 B' L' U' L' U L2 U L R'
94. 36.25 F' U2 L2 U' F D' R F' R2 L2 F2 U2 B2 U2 R F2 R2 D2 B2 U
95. 45.66 L2 D2 B R2 F L2 F' D2 F L2 B2 L F2 D U B R B2 F' R2 D
96. 40.73 U2 F' R F' B' U L D' R U' B2 D R2 U' R2 U2 L2 B2 U R2 B'
97. 40.55 F2 L' D2 L2 F2 U2 L' B2 U2 F2 U' R2 U F' D2 R U B L2
98. 38.90 L2 B2 L2 B' D2 B' L2 B L2 D F2 D2 B2 D L U F2 L R2
99. 47.88 L' D2 L U2 F2 L' R' F2 R' D2 B2 D' B' F' D2 U R F D2 B2 R2
100. 41.05 B' U2 B2 F2 U' F2 U2 L2 U' B' D' B L B' U' L B' R'

 

[MarcelP]

This thread has gone very quiet. How's the OH going Marcel?

Hi Michael,

Nice average! I have not been doing many OH. Just a few per day. I have done about 10 days of 2H practice. 100 timed solves per day or so with some target practice (blind crosses). The results are so very very disappointing. I am hardly sub 20 these days. I do not know what is going on. Probably lookahead is not working as it should.. I just recorder these 12 (first solves of the day). It is a sub 20 average with a very nice full step non lucky 15 but the rest pretty much sucked major.

EDIT: Cube Moyu HuaLong, scambles in description on Youtube if anyone cares.

 

[Logiqx]

I'm sure your good times will return Marcel.

Bad sessions for me are always due to poor look ahead and relying on my reactions. These sessions sometimes happen the day after I have a particularly good session when look ahead was working well and I was turning fast. I try to use the same turn speed but my eyes don't seem to keep up!

Maybe take a little break with a few days of Roux or ZZ?

 

[MarcelP]

Maybe take a little break with a few days of Roux or ZZ?

That is actually a great idea. And it might take more than a little while ZZ sounds also good to look into. I have never looked into ZZ because it sound hard with making all egdes good edges instead of bad edges after inspection.

 

[Logiqx]

Yeah. ZZ is quite fun and will be something new. I did a dozen or so solves yesterday.

EO takes a bit of getting used to and I would struggle to plan in 15 seconds but it's nice to do something different occasionally.

The main part of the solve flows nicely (left and right blocks) and has some commonality with your Roux SB techniques, minus M slice of course.

 

[Schmidt]

also, you still need to beat me at 4x4x4! You beat me in 2x2x2 in the weekly

 

[Logiqx]

That is actually a great idea. And it might take more than a little while ZZ sounds also good to look into. I have never looked into ZZ because it sound hard with making all egdes good edges instead of bad edges after inspection.

asmallkitten has some good ZZ videos on YouTube iirc. Enjoy!

 

[MarcelP]

You beat me in 2x2x2 in the weekly

LOL, well that's a first. I always finish last or second last in 2x2. My 4X4 is as good as it will ever get because even with regular practice I do not gain any more. I am pleased with being around 1.50 secs average. I remember clearly not getting any sub 2's and wondered how people did that

asmallkitten has some good ZZ videos on YouTube iirc. Enjoy!

Yeah, I am planning on spending some time on that this weekend.

 

[mark49152]

Came back from a couple of weeks off and annihilated all 3x3 PBs except single. Gotta take more breaks 5/12/50/100 = 15.65/16.79/17.47/17.93. Man it felt good to check my times at the end and see that sub-18 ao100!