Berd
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Positive words. Sounds as if I've got some work to do.
Letter-pairs are good, m'kay?
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CuberM
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I'm sub-40 and there's still cases I don't know well at all xD
I think I'm gonna have to. I like Maskow's system... (If I got it right that is
)Excuse me, what's CP and CO?
moralsh
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Corner permutation and orientation
Oh, thanks!
Btw. I thought I understood Maskow's system but his thread about it confuses me, could anyone explain his memo?
tseitsei
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If you are sub-40 I'm quite sure that you actually have a complete letter pair list already. Not necessarily written anywhere but only in your head. That's what it's like for me at least. I never tried to make a letter pair list. Instead I just did a lot of solves and now I have these "standard" words for harder letter pairs that I use automatically. For easier (more common in Finnish language) letter pairs I just come up with something that fits my current memo on the spot...
TyrantCuberKing
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I am trying to learn OP/OP execution with letter pair memorization. The problems I am running into are thus:
1. In OP, you are memorizing stickers, but it is actually a piece-by-piece method. Thus, when I break into new cycles, I always have to go back and associate the stickers with the piece that was actually solved so that I know which pieces are available for cycle-breaks. This is probably the most annoying aspect. I've heard tapping helps, but it hasn't payed dividends thus far.
2. Initially, thinking of an object to correspond to each letter pair is a pain, particularly for Q, X and W. It currently takes me anywhere from 10 to 15 minutes to memorize. I am also beginning to think that the common adage of "you just need an average memory" is probably only true of being able to solve BLD at ALL, whilst memorizing the cube in less than one minute is probably a gift. What I might try is to focus on phonetics, and not spelling. Incidentally, I have been sufficiently bothered by the first issue that I have started drilling the sub-sections of Makisumi's 3OP blindfolded method, simply memorizing the digits. For me, this makes the memorization much faster. However, I know that starting with M2/OP will inevitably lead to faster times in the future, so what I could do is try to implement a 1-24 numbering system.
1. In OP, you are memorizing stickers, but it is actually a piece-by-piece method. Thus, when I break into new cycles, I always have to go back and associate the stickers with the piece that was actually solved so that I know which pieces are available for cycle-breaks. This is probably the most annoying aspect. I've heard tapping helps, but it hasn't payed dividends thus far.
2. Initially, thinking of an object to correspond to each letter pair is a pain, particularly for Q, X and W. It currently takes me anywhere from 10 to 15 minutes to memorize. I am also beginning to think that the common adage of "you just need an average memory" is probably only true of being able to solve BLD at ALL, whilst memorizing the cube in less than one minute is probably a gift. What I might try is to focus on phonetics, and not spelling. Incidentally, I have been sufficiently bothered by the first issue that I have started drilling the sub-sections of Makisumi's 3OP blindfolded method, simply memorizing the digits. For me, this makes the memorization much faster. However, I know that starting with M2/OP will inevitably lead to faster times in the future, so what I could do is try to implement a 1-24 numbering system.
bobthegiraffemonkey
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1. You can keep your fingers on pieces that you've already taken care of, so you can tell easily what pieces are left. You can do this easily on 3x3, and I managed to work out a version for larger cubes blindfolded, and even for megaminx.
2. At first, letter pairs will be slow, expecially if you struggle with thinking of images during solves. With some practice, and making a list of letter pairs to use in solves written down somewhere, it gets much easier and faster. I've got a rubbish memory and don't much like image memo, but it was the best option and I used it anyway. Now I'm 10th in the world for 5BLD and also have a 41.xx 3BLD single PB in comp, so you are almost certainly capable of memorising in under a minute. However, you will have to work for it like everyone else with sub-1 memo had to.
kbrune
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I'm in the process of sifting through tons of info and reading up on techniques and advice by multi blinders. Man is it overwhelming! I'm finding it difficult to figure out the best way to apply memo methods to suit my strengths and weaknesses.
From what I've seen. Letter pairs encoded I to images while using Roman rooms will be the strongest memo technique for my Future multi attempts.
I'd like to save as much time in the research area as possible so I was hoping someone with experience could shed some light on the following. Does anyone favor using strictly images for pairs over using the person, object, action style? I can see the pros and cons of both. But the latter means organizing 3 lists of 500+ combinations. That seems impossible to me.
Any thoughts or advice?
From what I've seen. Letter pairs encoded I to images while using Roman rooms will be the strongest memo technique for my Future multi attempts.
I'd like to save as much time in the research area as possible so I was hoping someone with experience could shed some light on the following. Does anyone favor using strictly images for pairs over using the person, object, action style? I can see the pros and cons of both. But the latter means organizing 3 lists of 500+ combinations. That seems impossible to me.
Any thoughts or advice?
Ollie
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Don't list your letter pairs, yet. Try to come up with letter pairs on the fly, because a lot of the letter pairs for A-X lend themselves to obvious pairs quite nicely.
For example, if you need to remember FT PL KD, try inserting a vowel in between each pair. You'll get a few options: fat, fit, or feet? Pal, pull, pill? Or maybe not: kid?
What you're doing here is learning how to be imaginative when you're memorizing. You'll learn that some letter pairs are easy and you'll use them again, or you'll experiment and find interesting images for harder pairs.
Once you're about 95% comfortable with your mental 'list', research the hardest pairs. Maybe pick a category for them. For example, X followed by something could be code for a superhero, or Xmen, or something dead x_x
Good practice for PAO too - try to use celebrities or friends. I.e. DB could be David Beckham (person) or an action (playing football) or an object (football). 3 words for the price of one.
For example, if you need to remember FT PL KD, try inserting a vowel in between each pair. You'll get a few options: fat, fit, or feet? Pal, pull, pill? Or maybe not: kid?
What you're doing here is learning how to be imaginative when you're memorizing. You'll learn that some letter pairs are easy and you'll use them again, or you'll experiment and find interesting images for harder pairs.
Once you're about 95% comfortable with your mental 'list', research the hardest pairs. Maybe pick a category for them. For example, X followed by something could be code for a superhero, or Xmen, or something dead x_x
Good practice for PAO too - try to use celebrities or friends. I.e. DB could be David Beckham (person) or an action (playing football) or an object (football). 3 words for the price of one.
kbrune
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^^^
I'm so slow at coming up with an image on the fly. I often sit there for a minute stuck on one pair. I realized once I started learning blind how poor my imagination is lol.
So would it be efficient if I simply try at first to come up with an image on the fly and then keep in mind or write down the ones I couldn't find anything for and think one up afterward?
And also. My original question was wether people used strictly images interacting with each other over using specifically a person, followed by an object, followed by an action with said object. In that order for every pair
I'm so slow at coming up with an image on the fly. I often sit there for a minute stuck on one pair. I realized once I started learning blind how poor my imagination is lol.
So would it be efficient if I simply try at first to come up with an image on the fly and then keep in mind or write down the ones I couldn't find anything for and think one up afterward?
And also. My original question was wether people used strictly images interacting with each other over using specifically a person, followed by an object, followed by an action with said object. In that order for every pair
Ollie
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Imagination can be practiced, too! It will be slow at first, but it you're just starting BLD then you might as well start with strong methods and not have to change later.
Try not writing down, you will end up reusing pairs without much effort. And you don't necessarily need to stick with PAO or POA, read the article in signature about sentences as an alternative to PAO. You could also just try learning one single image for each pair and making images with 4-8 letters.
Try not writing down, you will end up reusing pairs without much effort. And you don't necessarily need to stick with PAO or POA, read the article in signature about sentences as an alternative to PAO. You could also just try learning one single image for each pair and making images with 4-8 letters.
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