Helicopter cube solving (and patterns)

Prove that my last 2 posted patterns are not possible to achieve by using only 3 different edges although all the moving pieces can be moved by 3 edges alone (rather easy!).

Prove that even 4 edges will not suffice (harder).

Are my sequences minimal?? Use for instance ksolve!!

Per
 
Nice to meet you in Trondheim Per. I didn't read this thread for a while so i missed that you came up with a improved alg for my star patter. This makes it a whole lot easier to make it :)
 
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Could you be more specific? Perhaps a picture?

I only call pieces "centres" and "corners". I'm not sure what you mean by "edges".

You might find what you need in this thread.
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So yeah, centers sorry.
 
That's jumbling. I could never understand it by seeing it written down, and I had to have someone show it to me. But I'll give it a shot anyway. You need to take the UR and FL sides, and do a turn not quite halfway, so the corners of the triangles in the FR-middle and UL-middle meet up in the UF-middle. Then you can twist the "UF" side, which has kind of become a new piece.

EDIT: If you can make any sense of what I just said you deserve an award. Here's a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTHQ-U3aWo0

The guy in the video does it with different sides, but hopefully you can get the idea.
 
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That's jumbling. I could never understand it by seeing it written down, and I had to have someone show it to me. But I'll give it a shot anyway. You need to take the UR and FL sides, and do a turn not quite halfway, so the corners of the triangles in the FR-middle and UL-middle meet up in the UF-middle. Then you can twist the "UF" side, which has kind of become a new piece.

EDIT: If you can make any sense of what I just said you deserve an award. Here's a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTHQ-U3aWo0

The guy in the video does it with different sides, but hopefully you can get the idea.

Ive spent the last 2 hours trying to solve this and I dont get it. It's like an impossible parity. Could someone help please?!
 
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