What is necessary to be sub-10?

[Johnny.d.p]

It's certainly true what you say about having quick F2L knowledge. Since I try solving color neutral I find myself not knowing how to complete a pair, or pairing and inserting it wrong. But that's just lack of practice being CN.

If you want, I could make a video about the way I pair up my F2L after I come back from my holiday in Vietnam on May 13. BTW what's CN?

 

[RTh]

If you want, I could make a video about the way I pair up my F2L after I come back from my holiday in Vietnam on May 13.

Don't worry, with my usual faces (yellow/white) I make the F2L pairs in about a second each, so F2L takes me 5-8 sec. The other faces are the ones giving me trouble, since it's hard to change the ''chip'' and look for yellow/red edges insted of blue/red, and same with each face.

But, with a month of practice I'll be color neutral, no doubt about that.

 

[uberCuber]

BTW what's CN?

Color Neutral (in CFOP, starting with any color cross, whichever looks the easiest)

 

[Sean Genge]

I know this post was created a long time from when I am posting but I just think it would be nice to post how I went from 30 second averages to low 17 second averages with a pb of 10.55 seconds. The way I did it was basically isolate each of the steps and worked on each one separately. I mainly worked on my f2l since that takes the longest time. I tried to have one fixed way of solving certain f2l pairs and practiced them with both hands in inserting them in all the for slots without rotating. I would then incorporate the speed and recognition into my solves. This alone allowed me to get sub 25. I would also work on my I'linand pll speed and find ways and tricks to perform them as fast as I can. I also worked on my lookahead by solving slow and always finding the next pair I want to insert. After a while I managed to get sub 20. To get past this I I just found new ways to solve f2l pairs which were more efficient. The cross, I would try and find a 6-7 solution and execute it as fast as I can as well as trying to find my first f2l pair.

I only know around 16 olls and full pll. My f2l can be solved in around 5-9 seconds, mainly average around 8 but lucky when I get 5. Hopefully this can help anyone who has trouble improving. The main thing I'd to keep finding better ways to solve a piece and to get used executing it without thinking. Lookahead is very important and should not be ignored. With lookahead, your tps will increase. For me, my tops is around 4.6 and sometimes a bit lower if my lookahead is bad. F2l is also the most important part of the solve, do that day and you can really decrease your times. Other than that just practice and you will improve.

 

[Stefan]

I went from 30 second averages to low 17 second averages

What does that have to do with this thread?

 

[kcl]

What does that have to do with this thread?

^^

 

[pewpewrawr]

What does that have to do with this thread?

^^

he said he has a pb of 10.55 and he's sharing his perspective on what he thinks needs to be done to achieve sub-10. i don't see anything wrong with that, leave the guy alone.

 

[uyneb2000]

he said he has a pb of 10.55 and he's sharing his perspective on what he thinks needs to be done to achieve sub-10. i don't see anything wrong with that, leave the guy alone.

The term "sub-10" means a global average that is under 10 seconds. If you do an average of 100+ that is under 10 seconds, or you are consistently solving under 10 seconds, you are probably sub-10. A PB single does not accurately reflect your global average. He is clearly not with a global average of 17 second. You and Sean were mixed up with what the term "sub-10" means.

 

[pewpewrawr]

The term "sub-10" means a global average that is under 10 seconds. If you do an average of 100+ that is under 10 seconds, or you are consistently solving under 10 seconds, you are probably sub-10. A PB single does not accurately reflect your global average. He is clearly not with a global average of 17 second. You and Sean were mixed up with what the term "sub-10" means.

i'm well aware of what it means and i wasn't mixed up about anything. i mentioned the pb because it means that he has at least come close to sub-10, and i think he deserves to share his opinion just as much as anyone else does.

 

[Stefan]

i'm well aware of what it means and i wasn't mixed up about anything. i mentioned the pb because it means that he has at least come close to sub-10, and i think he deserves to share his opinion just as much as anyone else does.

Only close and only pb. And sorry, but "low 17" and "sub-10" are totally different things and this thread is specifically about the latter.

he's sharing his perspective on what he thinks needs to be done to achieve sub-10.

Nah. In his own words:

I just think it would be nice to post how I went from 30 second averages to low 17 second averages

 

[Kirjava]

The term "sub-10" means a global average that is under 10 seconds..

so what do I call my "sub-10" single solves?

 

[uyneb2000]

so what do I call my "sub-10" single solves?

Sorry, bad phrasing. I meant "being sub-10" means you are globally averaging under 10 seconds. Single solves and averages under 10 seconds are "sub-10".

 

[pewpewrawr]

Nah. In his own words:

I just think it would be nice to post how I went from 30 second averages to low 17 second averages

you keep taking that single line out of context. his post was about improvement, and i'm sure he posted it because he thinks it's relevent to reaching sub-10.

Only close and only pb. And sorry, but "low 17" and "sub-10" are totally different things and this thread is specifically about the latter.

so that means he's not allowed to post here? i don't know if you read the thread all the way through, but there were lots of people posting about how they improved, even if it wasn't necessarily improving past sub-10. that is probably what motivated him to make his post.

 

[goodatthis]

Let me ask all of you something: does arguing technicalities and little insignificant details help improve the speedcubing community? Does it really give you guys that much enjoyment by winning mini-debates of the wording or intentions of posts?

A few excepts from the Site Rules:

Don't reply to a post unless you have something of value to add to it.

Respect other users and try to contribute to a nice ambiance on the forum.

Come on guys, arguing over little things like this does not create a nice ambiance nor does it add value to the post. Or the forums, community, etc.

 

[Fawn]

Shooby

I agree on its uselessness. Moving on:

I've been getting more sub-10 solves lately, but I haven't learned any new techniques since I started, (except efficiency, but that's not my point). Obviously there's lots to learn, so I'm trying to digure out what is the most beneficial thing to learn.

Also my last layer is really slow. It normally takes me around 5 seconds.

I suppose this tells me that learning a ton of new stuff isn't entirely necessary to improve in general, but it seems to be that way for improving to sub-10. I'll see.

 

[MikamiHero]

I'm currently at around low-13 to low-14 averages. I'm finding it really difficult to transition to sub-10. I'm trying a few things:

1. CN Transition -- I'm currently dual colour neutral (if that's the term?) with white and yellow. My process is going to involve solving on each colour for a week before transitioning to the next one (currently 3 days into blue).

2. Slower turning for better lookahead -- I'm trying to turn more slowly and look ahead more. I find this does help, but eventually find my times starting to deteriorate if I don't do the occasional max speed solve.

3. Cleaning up my algorithms -- At one stage, I learned all of OLL and PLL for the sake of knowing them, but I have a load of algs that are reliant on [L U] moves and I just ain't a fan of that.

Should I look into more advanced techniques like OLLCP or some crazy F2L tricks?

 

[qqwref]

I have a sub-10 avg12 and I use plain Fridrich, not color neutral, and without CLL, ZBLL, WV, OLLCP, etc. - just cross/F2L/OLL/PLL. (And IMO I turn quite slowly compared to top CFOP solvers, so that's a clear way to get better times than me.) Feel free to learn the fancy stuff if you want to or are interested in it, but you absolutely do not need it to be sub-10. The key to being fast is turning quickly and keeping breaks to a minimum.

 

[MikamiHero]

I have a sub-10 avg12 and I use plain Fridrich, not color neutral, and without CLL, ZBLL, WV, OLLCP, etc. - just cross/F2L/OLL/PLL. (And IMO I turn quite slowly compared to top CFOP solvers, so that's a clear way to get better times than me.) Feel free to learn the fancy stuff if you want to or are interested in it, but you absolutely do not need it to be sub-10. The key to being fast is turning quickly and keeping breaks to a minimum.

Thanks, qqwref. That is actually quite reassuring. I find my biggest weaknesses are

1. Turning too quickly ==> Long pauses and poor lookahead -- I might need to tune down the turning speed slightly so I can keep up with what's happening.

2. Turning accuracy -- Despite cubes being quite smooth nowadays, I find I often overturn or my fingers lock up. I suppose I just need to calm everything down

Thanks for the reply though. I suppose I just need to practice lookahead more.

 

[Ninja Storm]

Thanks, qqwref. That is actually quite reassuring. I find my biggest weaknesses are

1. Turning too quickly ==> Long pauses and poor lookahead -- I might need to tune down the turning speed slightly so I can keep up with what's happening.

2. Turning accuracy -- Despite cubes being quite smooth nowadays, I find I often overturn or my fingers lock up. I suppose I just need to calm everything down

Thanks for the reply though. I suppose I just need to practice lookahead more.

You want to be able to turn at a constant speed throughout your solve. Pauses are nearly unacceptable for sub10 solves.

Overturning or locking up might be your cube's fault. Look into it.

 

[MikamiHero]

You want to be able to turn at a constant speed throughout your solve. Pauses are nearly unacceptable for sub10 solves.

Overturning or locking up might be your cube's fault. Look into it.

Yeah, I figured pausing might have been the cause of all the issues. I'll definitely work on constant speed with minimal pauses.

I never wanted to blame my cube... I always thought it may have just been me. I'll look into it (e.g., adjust the tension). I use a mini Weilong.