Your thoughts on the new Private forum?

I think it's a bit elitist. Also, I think we'll probably find that any interesting thread in the private forum will generate an almost identical thread in the public forum when someone not a member of the private forum wants to add something. This will make the private thread kind of redundant.
 
as already mentioned in this thread, thom made some postings that were really unconstructive and (if i was a mod) a good reason for even banning him from the normal forum.
i also do remember a thread where kirjava posted lots of pictures in order to get it closed. this is also an unacceptable form of discussion imo.
dont take this as a personal attack. it is just an example.

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kir's explanation "i will delete some of my posts" is no excuse. it already happened.

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Sure Thom's threads that could have good discussions tend to be cluttered with useless and stupid replies, but so what?
Deal with it.

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That's cause you're in it, nobhead.

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I think this is a great idea, like Thom said:
... the topic that got made today would've been raped if it was public.

What he means is that if it was public, it would have been spammed with non-productive posts, thus making it harder to find content of value.
(For people who apparently didn't get the point)

Also the colored thread topics for private forum is great, but I would love to see it split up from the regular recent threads, so if you want to see recent threads from the private area, you check one list, and if you want to check public area you check another list, although I don't know how hard it's to implement.

Still, I really like this idea, even though I'm not in that group (although I don't have enough knowledge to contribute) I can still read, I don't get the problem, does people want to be able to post everywhere that bad?
 
I do like the idea of the private form and i think that most people who desere to be in there are already allowed to post. They dont want people asking stupid questions, normal forum. they dont want people making stupid threads, where does this happen? the normal thread. Hopefuly this will be a model for the rest of the forum and eventually we wont even need the private forum. instead of hating on it, maybe try to learn a little bit from it and improve your own content.
 
That's cause you're in it, nobhead.

I'm not in it, and I love it.

And I know that SOMEBODY is going to post saying something like "See? Thom's post right there show's that he makes many comments that don't belong in a constructive discussion." Well, from my perspective : Thom is either a) Laughing at all of those he quoted for having no sense. b) Trying to make himself feel better by making jokes. c) Trying to make US or those he quoted feel better with jokes. or d) Showing exactly how all of the posts he quoted are a perfect example of posts that would NOT belong in the private forum. Knowing me, however, I could be completely wrong and e) Thom just got bored listening to (reading, whatever.) most of us quarrel.

Although I have to admit I laughed at Thom's post like I always do. :P
 
I wasn't sure about the idea when I first heard it (smacked of elitism was my first and second thought). However, having read through about half of the content on the private forum, the quality of the debate on there is tremendous, and informs in a way I've rarely seen on here before
 
I realy like the idea which is behind this new sub-threat. I think it may will be more effective than the ´normal´ threats. there you have much more the chance of finding the information you want with not searching it in about 5 or more pages per ´normal´ threat. the users who are in are mostly qualified to be there and do not much stupid/spam posts. I realy like it even I might never be there :) so i´m looking forward to see good and informative threats/posts from there :)
 
See? I told you this thread would be a gold-mine for identifying people to put on the new forum's blacklist.

Any removed posts are due to content deemed too uninteresting by the Second Thought Committee and usually happen shortly after they are posted.

That whole post was hilarious, I just want to comment on this because I do the same. Not 30%, but I do delete quite a few of my own posts soon after posting them (unless someone has replied to them already). Usually because I just don't want to get involved in another time-waster thread.

Let's let ben1996123 in. >.>

I actually thought about suggesting him. I like him, I think he's a smart guy and he does his own thing and it's often unusual and interesting. I'm just not sure he'd need or want to post in there.

Just kidding about the blacklist, btw, there is none. As far as I know.
 
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I think it's a great idea. I'm also glad that people like me can't post in it (knowledgeless CFOP noobs). It will make it a lot easier to learn from the threads.
 
Love it i totally like the private forum ! I know i wont be a part of it, my posts don't benefit much to speedcubing community :( but no noobs are spamming in it so that is a good thing!
 
I think the private forum will just increase the amount of stupid threads in the public forum. A lot of people will be trying to prove themselves worthy of the private forum by trying even harder to post even more "innovative" threads like "NEW METHOD FOR SOLVING 3x3."
If this happens, we will go from there. I doubt this will be much of an issue.

I also think that everything from the private forum (threads and replies) should be duplicated to the public forum. That way the private forum will be sort of an auto-filter to filter out the people that haven't shown themselves to be "worthy" of the private forum, but everyone can still participate in the discussion.
I see what you're getting at, but it somewhat voids the point. Why have divided posts? The private forum isn't to separate the community, but to ultimately make it better. Just because you don't post doesn't mean you can't learn from it, or come up with some insight on something else. People think because they can't post they aren't part of it. The idea is to improve discussion here. We've tried many, many different things over the years to work on this issue, and this is the next step. If it fails we go back to the way it was and try something else.

The concept of a forum like that sounds like a good idea, but the point of having an online cubing community is to have cubers interact with each other. Why should we exclude most of our members?
You don't always need to post. As Erik pointed out, it is important to know when NOT to post. No one is obligated to post. Only post if you have something of value to add. We've reiterated this rule for years now, yet people still find a reason to reply to a topic even if they have no insight or knowledge of the topic. This is one step are will try to help improve this. We do want discussions to occur here without BS in them. If you find a post in the private forum that you have some new insight into, you should request access to post with your reply so we can approve you. Keep in mind, everyone has the opportunity to get in, it is up the user of how they want to post.

A few things to reiterate that DavidWoner and Erik have already posted:
1. Read the entire thread before posting. This should seem obvious but I see of ton of people posting what has already been said earlier in a thread. I have also seen people post on topics far outside the thread topic because they didn't bother reading it properly. The question you're asking may already be answered. Don't make someone else do the work of finding the answer when it is already written down in front of you.

2. Lurk. It's okay to not post on something you find interesting. Things like "wow, that's cool" are nice and all, but don't really contribute to anything. If you are going to quote someone just to say "I agree" you can either not post or say something like "I agree because _______" This does not really apply to solve videos, saying "congrats" on a video of a WR etc even though 10 other people have said "congrats" or "wow fast" is to be expected. But you don't need to reply to everything. Only reply when you can add to the quality of the discussion. Reading is fine without posting your opinion. Post count is irrelevant, so don't take that as a factor in your recognition. If you made 1 quality/insightful post, I can assure you people will recognize you. You will find many members here who have <50 posts who have contributed a lot to the quality of this site.

3. Search function. Please look beyond the first page of results. It's okay to bump an old topic if you are adding something to it or want to see people's current opinion on something. Keep in mind there are over 600,000 posts - there is a very good chance the question you're about to ask has already been discussed and answered here. If you search for more than 10 minutes and can't find anything, then go ahead and create a new topic and tell us you've tried to search, and we will help you locate the answer.

That's cause you're in it, nobhead.
I think he knows that.

My opinion, since it counts just as much as anyone else's, is that its just another favoritist way of controlling the forum.

I bloody hate the way these forums are run. And yes, I'll probably get an infraction or get banned for this but idc.
We want to hear opinions. Any alternative suggestions are always welcome. Keep in mind we've been running this forum for over 5 years, and as it grows things change. The post-quality issue is likely much more difficult to deal with than you think. Again, if you don't like how it is run, please tell us exactly what is wrong, and your suggestion to fix it.

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I think the private forum is a great idea. I don't understand why people care if it's there or not. It doesn't affect the rest of the forum, so it makes no difference to those who aren't allowed in.
 
Well, that's conceited.
Maybe you shouldn't make threads saying you got 5 LL skips in a row. :fp
Although I see you answering lots of questions in the OAQT, you also do things like telling brand new members to go to the "OAQT" like you expect them to know what it is. You have lots of posts, but that doesn't mean that they're all very contributing ones. Answer OAQT questions is not very contributing IMO. I would say contributing is something like taking part in a discussion, and suggesting more ideas. You can always fill out the form and see if you get in.

Where is this form? Actually, where is this private forum? I have no idea what or where it is!
 
Many of the knowledgeable members have been posting a lot less lately.
Maybe it has to do with the fact that many "potentially good" threads no longer convey their points of view efficiently. The essence of what they're trying to get across to the rest of us is gradually being diluted. This new sub forum basically gives those capable of enriching cubing and it's future, a place where they can make themselves heard without the noise. And lets face it; they should be able to make themselves heard. We should be honest with ourselves here; would it really be in our interests as cubers to let those particular members go because they're fed up? At the end of the day this is something that has been a long time in the making. I'm happy that a potential solution is at hand and feel that all of us should just give it time.

And it has been stated enough; everybody can join the club, you just need to work on your posts.

We'll be fine ;) Now...all of you get over here for a group hug! Yes, you too ;)
 
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