X-CROSS can you do it?

[PatrickJameson]

not necessarily. If the 2x2x2 is extended to a 2x2x3 then it isn't an Xcross anymore.

That would be a double x-cross.

 

[CharlesOBlack]

not necessarily. If the 2x2x2 is extended to a 2x2x3 then it isn't an Xcross anymore.

That would be a double x-cross.

that's irrelevant to the question.

 

[irontwig]

not necessarily. If the 2x2x2 is extended to a 2x2x3 then it isn't an Xcross anymore.

That would be a double x-cross.

That's just silly, then any solved F2L, regardless of method would be a quadruple x-cross.

 

[James Ludlow]

not necessarily. If the 2x2x2 is extended to a 2x2x3 then it isn't an Xcross anymore.

That would be a double x-cross.

that's irrelevant to the question.

quantify?

 

[PatrickJameson]

not necessarily. If the 2x2x2 is extended to a 2x2x3 then it isn't an Xcross anymore.

That would be a double x-cross.

that's irrelevant to the question.

What question?

It's all relative to the method you are using. If you're a CFOP kind of guy and you make a 2x2x3 only to finish the cross and continue with F2L, then of course it's a double x-cross.

 

[PatrickJameson]

not necessarily. If the 2x2x2 is extended to a 2x2x3 then it isn't an Xcross anymore.

That would be a double x-cross.

That's just silly, then any solved F2L, regardless of method would be a quadruple x-cross.

An x-cross is simply a pair that is completed and inserted before the cross is finished.

 

[CharlesOBlack]

not necessarily. If the 2x2x2 is extended to a 2x2x3 then it isn't an Xcross anymore.

That would be a double x-cross.

that's irrelevant to the question.

What question?

It's all relative to the method you are using. If you're a CFOP kind of guy and you make a 2x2x3 only to finish the cross and continue with F2L, then of course it's a double x-cross.

whether or not a 2x2x2 is an xcross.

 

[James Ludlow]

not necessarily. If the 2x2x2 is extended to a 2x2x3 then it isn't an Xcross anymore.

That would be a double x-cross.

that's irrelevant to the question.

What question?

It's all relative to the method you are using. If you're a CFOP kind of guy and you make a 2x2x3 only to finish the cross and continue with F2L, then of course it's a double x-cross.

I meant as to why it was irrelevant to the question.

 

[PatrickJameson]

not necessarily. If the 2x2x2 is extended to a 2x2x3 then it isn't an Xcross anymore.

That would be a double x-cross.

that's irrelevant to the question.

What question?

It's all relative to the method you are using. If you're a CFOP kind of guy and you make a 2x2x3 only to finish the cross and continue with F2L, then of course it's a double x-cross.

whether or not a 2x2x2 is an xcross.

Then continue reading.

 

[CharlesOBlack]

not necessarily. If the 2x2x2 is extended to a 2x2x3 then it isn't an Xcross anymore.

That would be a double x-cross.

that's irrelevant to the question.

What question?

It's all relative to the method you are using. If you're a CFOP kind of guy and you make a 2x2x3 only to finish the cross and continue with F2L, then of course it's a double x-cross.

I meant as to why it was irrelevant to the question.

If you want to know the difference between oranges and apples, would you ask yourself the difference between pears and lemons first?

If you want to know the difference between a 2x2x2 and an Xcross, would you ask yourself what the difference between a 2x2x3 and a double Xcross is?

same question-question relationship.

edit: irony: I just did an Xcross

 

[Edward]

not necessarily. If the 2x2x2 is extended to a 2x2x3 then it isn't an Xcross anymore.

That would be a double x-cross.

that's irrelevant to the question.

What question?

It's all relative to the method you are using. If you're a CFOP kind of guy and you make a 2x2x3 only to finish the cross and continue with F2L, then of course it's a double x-cross.

whether or not a 2x2x2 is an xcross.

A 2x2x2 is just a 2x2x2. It's not X cross until the other cross pieces are placed.

 

[PatrickJameson]

If you want to know the difference between oranges and apples, would you ask yourself the difference between pears and lemons first?

If you want to know the difference between a 2x2x2 and an Xcross, would you ask yourself what the difference between a 2x2x3 and a double Xcross is?

same question-question relationship.

lolwut.

Ok so technically, an x-cross is when there's one pair solved with the cross finished(2x2x2 with cross finished). A double x-cross is two pairs and the cross finished. a solve is not considered to have an x-cross unless you solve the 2x2 or the two pairs before you finish the cross.

Therefore, if you are a CFOP person and solve a 2x2x2 first, it will lead to at least an x-cross(possibly a double x-cross).

(and I have no idea where you came up with the idea that x-crosses and double x-crosses are not alike at all)

 

[James Ludlow]

If you want to know the difference between oranges and apples, would you ask yourself the difference between pears and lemons first?

:confused::confused::confused:

 

[CharlesOBlack]

If you want to know the difference between oranges and apples, would you ask yourself the difference between pears and lemons first?

If you want to know the difference between a 2x2x2 and an Xcross, would you ask yourself what the difference between a 2x2x3 and a double Xcross is?

same question-question relationship.

lolwut.

Ok so technically, an x-cross is when there's one pair solved with the cross finished(2x2x2 with cross finished). A double x-cross is two pairs and the cross finished. a solve is not considered to have an x-cross unless you solve the 2x2 or the two pairs before you finish the cross.

(and I have no idea where you came up with the idea that x-crosses and double x-crosses are not alike at all)

To make an xcross, you need to build the cross AND the first F2L pair at the same time. If you build the 2x2x2 and then add the rest of the cross, it's a Petrus-turned-Fridrich solve, and if you make the cross and then add the first pair, it's just a normal Fridrich solve.

(x-crosses and double x-crosses are alike, just as apples and pears are both fruits. )

 

[PatrickJameson]

(x-crosses and double x-crosses are alike, just as apples and pears are both fruits. )

Uh, more like a slice of an apple vs half of an apple. But alright.

 

[James Ludlow]

To make an xcross, you need to build the cross AND the first F2L pair at the same time. If you build the 2x2x2 and then add the rest of the cross, it's a Petrus-turned-Fridrich solve, and if you make the cross and then add the first pair, it's just a normal Fridrich solve.

Please forgive me if I am wrong, but using scramble [any Oll] L' U' L2 U L B2 R U R'. Starting with R U' R' B2 L2 would give you a double x cross even though you solved the 2x2 block first. Your saying that is false?

 

[CharlesOBlack]

To make an xcross, you need to build the cross AND the first F2L pair at the same time. If you build the 2x2x2 and then add the rest of the cross, it's a Petrus-turned-Fridrich solve, and if you make the cross and then add the first pair, it's just a normal Fridrich solve.

Please forgive me if I am wrong, but using scramble [any Oll] L' U' L2 U L B2 R U R'. Starting with R U' R' B2 L2 would give you a double x cross even though you solved the 2x2 block first. Your saying that is false?

yup, because

To make an xcross, you need to build the cross AND the first F2L pair at the same time. If you build the 2x2x2 and then add the rest of the cross, it's a Petrus-turned-Fridrich solve,[...]

 

[James Ludlow]

To make an xcross, you need to build the cross AND the first F2L pair at the same time. If you build the 2x2x2 and then add the rest of the cross, it's a Petrus-turned-Fridrich solve, and if you make the cross and then add the first pair, it's just a normal Fridrich solve.

Please forgive me if I am wrong, but using scramble [any Oll] L' U' L2 U L B2 R U R'. Starting with R U' R' B2 L2 would give you a double x cross even though you solved the 2x2 block first. Your saying that is false?

yup, because

To make an xcross, you need to build the cross AND the first F2L pair at the same time. If you build the 2x2x2 and then add the rest of the cross, it's a Petrus-turned-Fridrich solve,[...]

not if you have any intention of continuing with petrus, and planned for the block to be part of the cross.

Hey, I disagree with your view on this entirely, but I'll leave it at this and I'll agree to differ.

(I'm right though, I think. )

 

[CharlesOBlack]

To make an xcross, you need to build the cross AND the first F2L pair at the same time. If you build the 2x2x2 and then add the rest of the cross, it's a Petrus-turned-Fridrich solve, and if you make the cross and then add the first pair, it's just a normal Fridrich solve.

Please forgive me if I am wrong, but using scramble [any Oll] L' U' L2 U L B2 R U R'. Starting with R U' R' B2 L2 would give you a double x cross even though you solved the 2x2 block first. Your saying that is false?

yup, because

To make an xcross, you need to build the cross AND the first F2L pair at the same time. If you build the 2x2x2 and then add the rest of the cross, it's a Petrus-turned-Fridrich solve,[...]

not if you have any intention of continuing with petrus, and planned for the block to be part of the cross.

Hey, I disagree with your view on this entirely, but I'll leave it at this and I'll agree to differ.

(I'm right though, I think. )

I don't understand the bolded part.

(hey, it's fun to debate/discuss! but if you like, just tell me what you mean with the bolded part and we'll leave it at that)

 

[Feryll]

I consider Xcross to be either:
1) seeing the direct solve to the Xcross during inspection
2) seeing the solve for the 2x2x2 and one other cross edge during inspection, with intention to locate and place the 4th cross edge during the solving phase.
3) seeing the solve for the 2x2x2 during inspection while making sure that the solution for the 2x2x2 puts the other 2 cross edges in a "good" position. A good position means easy to solve in relatively few moves.
4) Seeing the solve for the cross during inspection that either builds or preserves a c/e pair. For these solves you usually know how to place the pair during inspection as well.
5) Seeing the solve for the cross and one corner during inspection, with intention to locate and place the F2L edge during the solving phase using keyhole.
6) Seeing the solve for the cross and one F2L edge during inspection, with intention to locate and place the corresponding corner during the solving phase using keyhole.
Chris

I agree with his statements.