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Gratz on WR.

We must be getting close to the physical limits of cube solving. I can only wonder in amazement how you do "look ahead" at that speed.
 
I didn't know that the WR will be reaching at this level so fast--it's the level that you'll have to really be in the right place at the right time to get it; basically you just HAVE to be extremely lucky. Sure, it's possible to get sub 7 non lucky, but it happens in a very low frequency despite so many solves at home. To consider that happening in competition that usually only just up to 15 solves maximum, is highly unlikely (not impossible, as breaking the WR is possible and inevitable). I will only think that more and more people will hit sub 10 (as dozens already have), and becomes as common as 10s are. It is only a matter of time (many months, if not a year), for the gap to narrow between the places as they are narrow now.

This WR can be compared to Gungz (Yu Jeong Min)'s 11.76 average back in early 2007, when he beated the former record by nearly a second and a half (previous being 13.22 held by Anssi). And it did take other cubers a year before it was finally broken, first by Edouard, and then Nakajima. Once the big barrier has been broken, the record is frequently broken as it normally is, until another great barrier is broken again making a great gap.

Before, the WR has just been a matter of who can cube just as fast as at home, because the official WR hasn't been all that fast compared to unofficial ones anyway. But with the increase in the number of competitions, more and more cubers compete, rather frequently (especially the Europeans), and it becomes a second nature. No biggie. It began to really show that WR can be just as good at UWR (though of course there's always better UWR, but not as much of a big gap). Perhaps it comes down to who can take advantage of the scrambles, and luck. It means the more you compete, the better chance you are of coming across a good scramble eh?

Erik used to have one solve that he was on the OLL (or finished the OLL) by 6s , but then he POPed. He was destined to get the WR again :P I have to ask though, as the cross on white or yellow?
 
Harris Chan said:
I didn't know that the WR will be reaching at this level so fast--it's the level that you'll have to really be in the right place at the right time to get it; basically you just HAVE to be extremely lucky. Sure, it's possible to get sub 7 non lucky, but it happens in a very low frequency despite so many solves at home. To consider that happening in competition that usually only just up to 15 solves maximum, is highly unlikely (not impossible, as breaking the WR is possible and inevitable). I will only think that more and more people will hit sub 10 (as dozens already have), and becomes as common as 10s are. It is only a matter of time (many months, if not a year), for the gap to narrow between the places as they are narrow now.

This WR can be compared to Gungz (Yu Jeong Min)'s 11.76 average back in early 2007, when he beated the former record by nearly a second and a half (previous being 13.22 held by Anssi). And it did take other cubers a year before it was finally broken, first by Edouard, and then Nakajima. Once the big barrier has been broken, the record is frequently broken as it normally is, until another great barrier is broken again making a great gap.

Before, the WR has just been a matter of who can cube just as fast as at home, because the official WR hasn't been all that fast compared to unofficial ones anyway. But with the increase in the number of competitions, more and more cubers compete, rather frequently (especially the Europeans), and it becomes a second nature. No biggie. It began to really show that WR can be just as good at UWR (though of course there's always better UWR, but not as much of a big gap). Perhaps it comes down to who can take advantage of the scrambles, and luck. It means the more you compete, the better chance you are of coming across a good scramble eh?
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Harris, I totally agree with you.
After seeing the video... Hearing that it was not that lucky makes me laugh.
Of course, doing more and more competitions will really increase the chance to have such a solve, and such a luck. But even with doing so many competitions, it's not easy to reach such a time. Harris, you could compete twice more, or ten times more and probably never having such a solve...

The question is not to know if it was lucky or not...
Is OLL skip and PLL E luckier than OLL T and PLL U ? I'm not that sure... And the first is considered as lucky and not the second.
And doing a World Record can't being with an unlucky solve... Or Erik would have done 15 times 7.0, or even better...
The real luck is not to have a PLL skip... It's to have it on the better solve of the competition. Harris, imagine you would have it on your 9.40 ? Or on my 10.36 ? It would have been 8 seconds low... And since more than 1 year... Maybe you had one PLL skip which was like 10 or 11 secs (like I had recently)... Having a skip is one chance out of 7x, but having one skip on the best solve you've ever done is.... Unbelievable. Erik always has been very lucky, so it's logical that is for him.


I don't think it can be compared to Yu Jeong Min's 11.76 average, because it was an average. And one solve can never be compared with an average. Yu Jeong Min's 11.76 average was so incredible when he did it... And still very hard to reach (don't agree Harris ? ;-) )... One solve will only stay one solve.
 
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i think lucky is being misused here. lucky isnt when you get a oll or a pll skip. lets say when you get 2 pairs of f2l ready for you, an easy oll like this one and a 3 edge cycle, people will say that it wasnt lucky, but you would know that it was very lucky indeed
 
Exactly... That's why having a lucky record, and a non lucky record has no sense.
Maybe counting the number of moves would be a greater indicator to decide if it was lucky or not.
 
Vault312 said:
hdskull said:
Zava said:
hostel was 708 :D
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That is awesome, I want someone living in room 002 to judge me next year at world championships :p
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so you're saying that you want to get a DNF caused by timer error? the only was to get a .02 non DNF is if they forget to scramble the cube...
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Cube skip, here I come!

Doudou said:
Yu Jeong Min's 11.76 average was so incredible when he did it... And still very hard to reach (don't agree Harris ? ;-) )
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LMAO! 10char
 
Harris Chan said:
This WR can be compared to Gungz (Yu Jeong Min)'s 11.76 average back in early 2007, when he beated the former record by nearly a second and a half (previous being 13.22 held by Anssi). And it did take other cubers a year before it was finally broken, first by Edouard, and then Nakajima. Once the big barrier has been broken, the record is frequently broken as it normally is, until another great barrier is broken again making a great gap.
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That one stuck out for me. :P
 
Harris Chan said:
This WR can be compared to Gungz (Yu Jeong Min)'s 11.76 average back in early 2007, when he beated the former record by nearly a second and a half (previous being 13.22 held by Anssi).
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One interesting observation is that Anssi's last solve in his 13.22 s average included a terrible missake and he had to redo the last step. Without that misstake, he would have had a sub-13 average and then have had beaten the old record by about 1.5 s.

I am quite convinced that quite a lot of similar observations can be made.

/Anders
 
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