What took you longer to learn? OLL or PLL?

[eastamazonantidote]

OLL took me about a week because by then I knew triggers and such. PLL took me almost 3 months because I wasn't motivated and still didn't know how to learn algs.

Slightly different but related topic: COLL took me 6 months because I was constantly changing algs while learning. And I am currently 16 months into ZBLL and I only know what my sig says. grrr....

 

[uberCuber]

You can finish it in nearly the same time as PLL if you do one a day with PLL and two a day with OLL.

LOL YOU CAN FINISH A LARGER SET IN THE SAME TIME AS A SMALLER SET IF YOU LEARN THE SMALLER SET REALLY SLOWLY

 

[freshcuber]

My point was that neither take much time to learn with only a small amount of work. Three algs a day and you can finish it all in a month. No matter how you break it down neither are that big of a time commitment.

 

[Georgeanderre]

I'm still learning both ... I anticipate to have learned full PLL in a week or so from now and then I can start on full OLL ... think I only know 12 OLLs atm

 

[primecuber]

OLL

 

[oll+phase+sync]

What took you longer to learn? OLL or PLL?

I was hoping for a cool suggestion how to learn OLL super fast, when reading this title.

For a most obvious reason I spent much more time learning PLL though.

 

[FatBoyXPC]

I think if I had to do it all over again, PLL would take less than 2 weeks to learn, and OLL would most certainly take 2-3 (at most 3) weeks to learn. There are so many freebies you get when learning both.

PLL:

Half of them are mirrors: Aa/b, Ga/b/c/d, Ja/b, Na/b, Ra/b, Ua/b
That leaves: E, F, V, T, Y, H, Z

If you learn a set of mirrors a day (and non-mirror cases one a day): 14 days

Now come on, that's really easy.

OLL:

I just realized I can't find my text file that I wrote up how to get 30ish "free" OLLs. I'll give some examples though to show how OLL can easily be learned in 2-3 weeks.

You already know a minimum of 9 from 2LOLL, and by expanding on those algorithms you can get those 30ish "free" OLLs. Now that I know that, OLL can certainly be learned in 2-3 weeks if you learn 1 case + its mirror + its inverse + the mirror's inverse (so a total of 4 algs) a day, which is very easy. Fat Sune is a good example of this (Fat Sune, Fat Sune Inverse, Fat Anti-Sune, Fat Anti-Sune Inverse). I realize that not all OLLs can be made into 4 cases, but this quickly knows down the amount you have to learn.

 

[Godmil]

Yeah, there is certainly a way to learn them quickly (which is what I did), and once you've got the system down, it's not actually too hard to go back and swap out a few of the algs for better ones.

 

[FatBoyXPC]

Yes there is, and I really wish i would have known that way when I did it. Now that I know though, I'm happy to share w/others

 

[oll+phase+sync]

I realize that not all OLLs can be made into 4 cases, but this quickly knows down the amount you have to learn.

PLL is just 13 algs instead of 21 if you don't count mirrors and inverses. But OLL is the most unsymmetric system I know of if still has 41 unique algorithms. But there's maybe some "fat" Potential.

 

[FatBoyXPC]

Well you can combine a bunch of simple things to learn a lot of OLLs as freebies. The fat versions I mentioned were just a small bit. You can also combine common triggers and setups, do an extra trigger in an alg instead of just once, etc.

For example: Common EO Alg: F SM F', you can do F SM SM F' and get another case, and even a free COLL: F SM SM SM F'. You can also get another free case with f SM SM f' (which is a U2/y2 version of F SM' SM' F'). SM + SH for a free OLL, SH' + SM' for another one. R U2 R' SH R U2 R', the list keeps going. Like I said in that post, when I get home tonight I'll update my post with a link to a text file I wrote that I use to copy and paste into OLL help threads. I think I counted 30ish cases that you can practically get for free. That's only just over half, but many of these OLLs are very easy to learn multiples in a day.

When I attacked OLL I think I did it completely wrong. My recognition was horrible for over a month after I knew the full set. I brute forced a minimum of 4 algs a day until I knew them all (granted this was often times alg + inverse or alg + mirror, but still), and I see so many better ways I could learn it now. I still don't I even know all the handy "tricks" that are known about elsewhere.

 

[FatBoyXPC]

I hate to double post and semi bump, but since the thread is off the main page and it is new information I went for it anyway. It made more sense than just editing my post.

http://fatboy.geekside.com/cube/learnll.txt

I wrote this up for whenever people ask for OLL and PLL help

So this shows you a total of 34 cases (hopefully I didn't miscount, but there is a possibility that I did) that are pretty much freebies, and I'm sure that isn't the extent of it.

34 freebies...4 of those freebies a day (more are easily do-able)...9 days to learn 34 of those. That leaves you 12 days to learn 23 cases (that still probably have mirrors or something). If you learn 2 cases a day + 2 extra cases on the 9th day from the first set, you can have all of OLL in 3 weeks.

I highly suggest learning OLL in a manner like this. It not only makes it easier, but it also puts it in a nice perspective and keeps a fairly accurate timeline for yourself.

The key to remembering full OLL afterwards is doing a boat load of solves within that month (I'd say 2-3 months after, too) to get comfortable with the new recognition, because you will take a hit.

 

[ElectricDoodie]

Wow, thanks for that.

I'll be learning Full OLL starting next week, so that will come in handy to check.

 

[alwynbatican]

I've learned all OLL's and PLL's in 1 month. 1 PLL and 2 OLL's a day.

 

[FatBoyXPC]

Wow, thanks for that.

I'll be learning Full OLL starting next week, so that will come in handy to check.

No problem Good luck, it can become difficult but you just gotta stick with it Just remember that after learning the freebies, watch for triggers. Learn algs by setups + triggers vs a full alg, it makes it much easier.

 

[Kirjava]

I never really learned OLL. One day I was just like "lol I guess I can do full OLL now"

 

[NaeosPsy]

Actually, PLL took me a week, full OLL, - 4 days. o.O I just learned a big bunch and then solved cube for about 2-3 hours so they go in. Still have to train execution tho.

 

[ben1996123]

Learnt pll in 2 weeks, oll in 3 years and counting... I dont even know 2 look oll, I dont know a headlights alg, I just do sunes until its solved. And I dont intend to learn them all.

 

[cubedude7]

OLL, cases were also harder for me to recognize.

 

[Jose Rizzato]

Look, for me, i started with cubes like four months ago, and it took me like 4 weeks to learn all OLL cases, and 2 weeks to learn all the PLL cases.
I learned the Bob Burton´s moves. (www.cubewhiz.com - i dont know what happend whit the site, i tried to enter but i says the service is unavailable)
But they are all similar.
In my expierence, i first learnd a couple of OLL cases, and then learn 3 PLL cases, just to have enough to complete the cube, after that, i finished with the OLL and then the PLL.

Mi best time 41.88
my average 53.52

I use the CCT 0.9.3 it is a chornometer especialized for rubiks solver for pc.