what do you guys think of this 4x4 method? F3L + 3-2-3 / columns method

[Deleted member 36445]

I've been using this method on slow solves because I liked the idea, but I can't find much information about it on the web.

I only know that it is the main 4x4 method of cubemaster and I found a document about F3L by Jack Enisennmann, but it ends with K4 LL, not 3-2-3.

F3L

I wanted to know more about this, do you guys know this method? Is it the same "columns" method?

Is it a viable method, compared to normal yau cross + centers?

It's pretty fun actually, you should try. I actually liked that you only do one center, then you finish F3L and the last center is already solved. But you have some weird rotations and blind spots, and you have to look for 3 pieces and solve them in a way you are not used

Edit: I found more info searching for columns method

MZRG - Columns for Big Cubes

 

[Garf]

I've been using this method on slow solves because I liked the idea, but I can't find much information about it on the web.

I only know that it is the main 4x4 method of cubemaster and I found a document about F3L by Jack Enisennmann, but it ends with K4 LL, not 3-2-3.

F3L

I wanted to know more about this, do you guys know this method? Is it the same "columns" method?

Is it a viable method, compared to normal yau cross + centers?

It's pretty fun actually, you should try. I actually liked that you only do one center, then you finish F3L and the last center is already solved. But you have some weird rotations and blind spots, and you have to look for 3 pieces and solve them in a way you are not used

Seems interesting. I might try this to see how I do. It would be easy to see the first center+ edge and center bar for the cross.

 

[artless1der]

Def an interesting approach, saw this muself a while back...
seems solid, I did several *sloooow* solves playing with it... I'm a Roux solver so I didnt have to un-learn Yau for it lol
I even tried it on 5×5 a few times haha pretty fun actually
The guy also has an interesting video about doing 3-2-3 edge pairing for 5×5

 

[artless1der]

I've been using this method on slow solves because I liked the idea, but I can't find much information about it on the web.

I only know that it is the main 4x4 method of cubemaster and I found a document about F3L by Jack Enisennmann, but it ends with K4 LL, not 3-2-3.

Haha I actually wrote to Cubemaster and suggested he develop an F4L technique video for 5×5 ... but he didn't answer me back
That was over 1½yrs ago... He still hasn't said a word lol
(I'm sure that's a difficult ask tho)

I've been digging 6×6 a lot lately but still can't seem to get sub~4... (*yet*)
Maybe we need an F5L method as well
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[Dylan K]

It's honestly not that bad, it's a lot like my main method Hoya in the way you solve edges, you just solve the centers differently. I think this method has a lot of potential and I will be doing some solving to see if I can get some good times.

 

[fosterrr]

I feel like everyone tries a method similar to this the first time they do a 4x4

At least that's what I did before looking up an actual tutorial

 

[Garf]

Haha I actually wrote to Cubemaster and suggested he develop an F4L technique video for 5×5 ... but he didn't answer me back
That was over 1½yrs ago... He still hasn't said a word lol
(I'm sure that's a difficult ask tho)

I've been digging 6×6 a lot lately but still can't seem to get sub~4... (*yet*)
Maybe we need an F5L method as well
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Another viable option is just to practice good habits on 6x6... I average 2:30 since I practice good habits.

 

[artless1der]

Another viable option is just to practice good habits on 6x6... I average 2:30 since I practice good habits.

I'm a 55yp Army veteran who has had 3 strokes and a seizure in the last few years and I have cataracts in the lenses of both eyes.

So I am kicking some; serious axe but thanks for the advice

 

[Davian]

Thanks for the information! I've been struggling to get petter with edge pairing, and this should help!

 

[Deleted member 36445]

Haha I actually wrote to Cubemaster and suggested he develop an F4L technique video for 5×5 ... but he didn't answer me back
That was over 1½yrs ago... He still hasn't said a word lol
(I'm sure that's a difficult ask tho)

I've been digging 6×6 a lot lately but still can't seem to get sub~4... (*yet*)
Maybe we need an F5L method as well
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I found this, looking for "columns method", he solves really fast but you could change play speed

Edit: i found this too

MZRG - Columns for Big Cubes

 

[Deleted member 36445]

I put more videos of cubemaster on the main post check it out!

 

[Garf]

I'm a 55yp Army veteran who has had 3 strokes and a seizure in the last few years and I have cataracts in the lenses of both eyes.

So I am kicking some; serious axe but thanks for the advice

Oh, poop. That was my bad. I didn't know about that. I just thought you were a kid making some excuses.
I hope everything goes well for you with healing up.

 

[artless1der]

Oh, poop. That was my bad. I didn't know about that. I just thought you were a kid making some excuses.
I hope everything goes well for you with healing up.

Thanks, bro. It has been a very odd kinda journey. I actually had read some articles from scientific studies which proved that when we make even just 2 same color pieces line up that makes a positive connection effect occur in our brains. After a "minor" stroke in late 2019 I found a Rubiks v2 at a local grocery store, and it was on. I spent like 2wks watching Kian Mansour's Roux tutorials to get to the point I could solve the cube without referring to the vids or my notes, and the following week I found some 13yo kid's video showing how to get the center caps off the Rubiks to loosen the screws, so Thanks 13yo kid!!! That def helped me get under 2mins and a real soeedcube with magnets got me under 1:00 and onward (Go Team Cubicle! lol)
I also found the complezity of big cubes make the brain work more and started leaning that way, found Kevin Hays' "Tuesday Tips" series and Feliks' "CubeSkills" playlists on YT and it was on.
I average 3:00 on 5×5, 5:15 on 6×6 and 7:15 on 7×7

Funny story: I knew how to solve 2×2-5×5 (Not fast) and bought a YJ Yufu V2M 7×7 ... it took me 28mins to solve that sucker and I had to refer to JRCuber's video on 7×7 to learn how to do my first commutator to finiah centers and get on with the solve
28:55 FREAKIN MINUTES !!!

Haha a week or two later I saw a video of the first time Max Park ever did a 7×7, borrowed one at a comp while his dad filmed it and encouraged him ("keep going Max")
He solved that sucker in 3:37.

 

[Garf]

Thanks, bro. It has been a very odd kinda journey. I actually had read some articles from scientific studies which proved that when we make even just 2 same color pieces line up that makes a positive connection effect occur in our brains. After a "minor" stroke in late 2019 I found a Rubiks v2 at a local grocery store, and it was on. I spent like 2wks watching Kian Mansour's Roux tutorials to get to the point I could solve the cube without referring to the vids or my notes, and the following week I found some 13yo kid's video showing how to get the center caps off the Rubiks to loosen the screws, so Thanks 13yo kid!!! That def helped me get under 2mins and a real soeedcube with magnets got me under 1:00 and onward (Go Team Cubicle! lol)
I also found the complezity of big cubes make the brain work more and started leaning that way, found Kevin Hays' "Tuesday Tips" series and Feliks' "CubeSkills" playlists on YT and it was on.
I average 3:00 on 5×5, 5:15 on 6×6 and 7:15 on 7×7

Funny story: I knew how to solve 2×2-5×5 (Not fast) and bought a YJ Yufu V2M 7×7 ... it took me 28mins to solve that sucker and I had to refer to JRCuber's video on 7×7 to learn how to do my first commutator to finiah centers and get on with the solve
28 FREAKIN MINUTES !!!

Haha a week or two later I saw a video of the first time Max Park ever did a 7×7, borrowed one at a comp while his dad filmed it and encouraged him ("keep going Max")
He solved that sucker in 3:37.

That's incredible. Well, keep working on it. I use redux for the big cube events, although this FnL method could be something else. My average is 1:20 for 5x5, 2:30 for 6x6, and 3:25 for 7x7.
If you need any help, send me a DM.

 

[Deleted member 36445]

FnL method

?

 

[Garf]

?

F (nxnlayers-1) L

 

[Deleted member 36445]

F (nxnlayers-1) L

I see.

F1L is pretty hard.

but F0L is impossible.

 

[Jorian Meeuse]

I see.

F1L is pretty hard.

but F0L is impossible.

Thats why the 1x1 is so hard

 

[Dylan K]

I tried this method on 6x6 and 7x7 and I don't think it is viable because when you get more and more layers done it becomes harder and harder to pair stuff up and you have to end up doing commutators to fix it. but if you like the idea of this "columns" method for 4x4 and 5x5 the method I would recommend for 6x6 and 7x7 is Hoya as it is a lot like it. Here is a video of it if you want to learn it.

 

[Deleted member 36445]

I tried this method on 6x6 and 7x7 and I don't think it is viable because when you get more and more layers done it becomes harder and harder to pair stuff up and you have to end up doing commutators to fix it.

What about 21x21?