Weekly competition 2009-13

Order at tied average results

I just want to be sure I understand rule 9f14 correctly when there are more than one competitor with the same average time in most of our events. All those which is Average of 5.

The rule says that the best result then decides. That must be the best one that is already removed from the average or the best of those three that is included in the average.

Example:

Person A: 10.00 12.00 13.00 14.00 20.00, Average 13.00
Person B: 11.00 11.50 13.00 14.50 19.00, Average 13.00

Is Person A:s best time 10.00, so he wins over Person B who has 11.00
OR is Person A:s best time 11.50 so he loses to Person B who has 11.50?

I need this info to order ties for the Quarterly Summary.
 
Mats, being an engineer, I naturally decided to find empirical data. From the European Championship 2008, in 2x2x2 there were the following placings:
11 Gaël Dusser 3.61 6.25 France 6.09 3.61 7.27 6.31 6.36
12 Bence Barát 5.63 6.25 Hungary 6.03 7.50 5.63 5.77 6.96

As you can see, Gaël had the faster single (3.61 vs. 5.63), but Bence had the faster of the times that counted after throwing out the best and worst (5.77 vs. 6.09). Gaël was placed higher. So I would therefore conclude that the fastest single (the one that gets thrown out from the average) breaks the tie. If not, then it would mean that the WCA database display has a bug.
 
MatsBergsten said:
I just want to be sure I understand rule 9f14 correctly when there are more than one competitor with the same average time in most of our events. All those which is Average of 5.

The rule says that the best result then decides. That must be the best one that is already removed from the average or the best of those three that is included in the average.

Example:

Person A: 10.00 12.00 13.00 14.00 20.00, Average 13.00
Person B: 11.00 11.50 13.00 14.50 19.00, Average 13.00

Is Person A:s best time 10.00, so he wins over Person B who has 11.00
OR is Person A:s best time 11.50 so he loses to Person B who has 11.50?

I need this info to order ties for the Quarterly Summary.
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Person A would win, it goes by fastest time over all, not fastest counting time.


Although if we are determining overall rankings, and not the winner of individual competitions, shouldn't a tie just be a tie? I think the tiebreaker only applies during competitions, and that those two competitors would be given the same world rank afterwards. I'm not sure if this applies in this situation, since I don't really know how the quarterly report works.
 
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Vault312 said:
Although if we are determining overall rankings, and not the winner of individual competitions, shouldn't a tie just be a tie? I think the tiebreaker only applies during competitions, and that those two competitors would be given the same world rank afterwards. I'm not sure if this applies in this situation, since I don't really know how the quarterly report works.
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Arnaud has stipulated that you are awarded points after the order in each event. Nr 1 of 20 gets 20, the second (runner up) 19, third 18 and so on. (+ participation points).
So order is of importance here, in each Weekly contest as well as in the summary. But I have not included this in the program for either each weeks results or the quarterly summary.

Mike Hughey said:
Mats, being an engineer, I naturally decided to find empirical data.
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Smart! :) Why didn't I think of that?

I can think of some amendments to the rules, such as points for ties and the size of participation points being a function of the number or competitors (obviously it's not the same to get 10 for FMC participation when there are 15 competitors in total as when it is say 50. (Cause the the winner of 3x3 where almost all participates gets 50+ points).

But, it is just for fun anyway, so I will try to do this according to those rules that we have now. But you have to wait a little longer, I am not ready with ties for FMC and extra points for Multi yet... :)
 
Results week 2009-13

2x2x2(21)
  1. 3.45 fazrulz
  2. 3.80 Escher
  3. 3.99 Vault312
  4. 4.54 Matthew
  5. 4.95 MTGjumper
  6. 5.87 Edmund
  7. 6.49 trying-to-speedcube...
  8. 6.54 Yalow
  9. 6.87 AvGalen
  10. 7.02 byu
  11. 7.36 Ellis
  12. 7.37 Kian
  13. 7.46 hippofluff
  14. 8.07 Gparker
  15. 9.06 cookingfat
  16. 9.85 Mike Hughey
  17. 12.73 mande
  18. 13.07 Yes, We Can!
  19. 13.27 PeterV
  20. 31.54 msemtd
  21. 33.82 MatsBergsten
3x3x3 (31)
  1. 13.34 fazrulz
  2. 13.95 Sa967St
  3. 14.52 MTGjumper
  4. 15.21 Escher
  5. 15.95 Vault312
  6. 16.35 pjk
  7. 16.39 trying-to-speedcube...
  8. 17.98 Ellis
  9. 18.07 Edmund
  10. 19.33 byu
  11. 19.60 Kian
  12. 22.31 Lord Voldemort
  13. 22.51 Edam
  14. 23.26 hippofluff
  15. 23.61 mande
  16. 24.09 jsh33
  17. 24.66 AvGalen
  18. 25.48 Yalow
  19. 25.67 jcuber
  20. 27.04 snowmous
  21. 27.83 Mike Hughey
  22. 28.09 PeterV
  23. 28.22 cookingfat
  24. 29.57 Gparker
  25. 37.25 shoot1510
  26. 42.31 Yes, We Can!
  27. 48.23 h5n1
  28. 48.78 Novriil
  29. 53.61 alifiantoadinugroho
  30. 54.40 msemtd
  31. 58.33 MatsBergsten
4x4x4(18)
  1. 57.02 fazrulz
  2. 1:06.66 Vault312
  3. 1:07.47 trying-to-speedcube...
  4. 1:10.98 pjk
  5. 1:11.35 MTGjumper
  6. 1:16.19 Ellis
  7. 1:16.85 Sa967St
  8. 1:20.95 Escher
  9. 1:23.44 Kian
  10. 1:25.35 AvGalen
  11. 1:29.55 hippofluff
  12. 1:30.88 jcuber
  13. 1:50.95 Mike Hughey
  14. 1:58.87 byu
  15. 2:45.22 cookingfat
  16. 2:50.30 snowmous
  17. 3:54.35 MatsBergsten
  18. 4:40.48 msemtd
5x5x5(13)
  1. 1:48.00 fazrulz
  2. 2:03.93 trying-to-speedcube...
  3. 2:11.68 Ellis
  4. 2:13.51 Vault312
  5. 2:17.42 Sa967St
  6. 2:19.16 AvGalen
  7. 2:23.18 Kian
  8. 2:29.27 Mike Hughey
  9. 2:35.44 jcuber
  10. 3:12.08 hippofluff
  11. 5:46.31 cookingfat
  12. 6:55.93 msemtd
  13. 11:19.06 MatsBergsten
6x6x6(4)
  1. 4:30.80 AvGalen
  2. 4:38.69 Ellis
  3. 5:06.85 jcuber
  4. 5:18.02 Mike Hughey
7x7x7(5)
  1. 7:03.02 AvGalen
  2. 7:33.46 jcuber
  3. 7:46.57 Mike Hughey
  4. 8:38.89 fazrulz
  5. 19:42.67 msemtd
3x3 one handed(17)
  1. 21.00 EmersonHerrmann
  2. 26.44 fazrulz
  3. 30.99 fanwuq
  4. 32.09 Sa967St
  5. 32.80 Escher
  6. 34.15 Vault312
  7. 36.10 Edmund
  8. 38.69 trying-to-speedcube...
  9. 39.68 AvGalen
  10. 46.62 mande
  11. 46.87 MTGjumper
  12. 46.92 Kian
  13. 48.46 Yalow
  14. 53.38 Mike Hughey
  15. 53.38 hippofluff
  16. 54.21 byu
  17. 56.35 Gparker
3x3 with feet(2)
  1. 2:07.73 Mike Hughey
  2. DNF byu
2x2x2 Blindfolded(9)
  1. 12.43 Escher
  2. 30.11 fazrulz
  3. 32.46 Edmund
  4. 41.81 Mike Hughey
  5. 49.74 byu
  6. 57.25 AvGalen
  7. 58.76 trying-to-speedcube...
  8. 1:07.60 MatsBergsten
  9. 2:17.81 cookingfat
3x3x3 Blindfolded(10)
  1. 1:52.16 byu
  2. 2:06.09 Mike Hughey
  3. 2:14.92 trying-to-speedcube...
  4. 2:33.69 MatsBergsten
  5. 3:49.54 mande
  6. 4:37.94 cookingfat
  7. 4:57.00 Kian
  8. DNF AvGalen
  9. DNF Sa967St
  10. DNF fazrulz
4x4x4 Blindfolded(4)
  1. 9:13.97 Mike Hughey
  2. DNF MatsBergsten
  3. DNF Rubixcubematt
  4. DNF byu
5x5x5 Blindfolded(2)
  1. 16:16.93 Mike Hughey
  2. 33:27.00 MatsBergsten
3x3 Multi blind(4)
  1. 5/5 Mike Hughey
  2. 3/3 Gparker
  3. 2/2 byu
  4. 2/2 Kian
  5. 2/5 MatsBergsten
3x3 Match the scramble(7)
  1. 1:10.23 AvGalen
  2. 1:19.14 trying-to-speedcube...
  3. 1:28.58 mande
  4. 1:57.57 Mike Hughey
  5. 2:05.53 cookingfat
  6. 3:07.41 byu
  7. DNF MatsBergsten
2-3-4 Relay(14)
  1. 1:10.86 fazrulz
  2. 1:37.86 Escher
  3. 1:39.89 MTGjumper
  4. 1:40.50 Ellis
  5. 1:43.78 Kian
  6. 1:51.06 trying-to-speedcube...
  7. 2:01.38 jcuber
  8. 2:16.80 AvGalen
  9. 2:21.96 Gparker
  10. 2:22.29 hippofluff
  11. 2:33.25 Mike Hughey
  12. 3:17.44 cookingfat
  13. 3:31.69 byu
  14. 5:29.60 MatsBergsten
2-3-4-5 Relay(10)
  1. 3:22.91 fazrulz
  2. 3:39.51 trying-to-speedcube...
  3. 4:04.61 Kian
  4. 4:15.90 AvGalen
  5. 4:28.59 Ellis
  6. 4:33.83 jcuber
  7. 5:25.78 Mike Hughey
  8. 5:37.34 hippofluff
  9. 8:35.88 cookingfat
  10. 15:33.43 MatsBergsten
2-3-4-5-6 Relay(2)
  1. 8:38.86 AvGalen
  2. 11:26.42 Mike Hughey
2-3-4-5-6-7 Relay(2)
  1. 15:29.80 AvGalen
  2. 19:20.64 Mike Hughey
Magic(8)
  1. 1.16 byu
  2. 1.56 PeterV
  3. 1.64 fazrulz
  4. 1.78 Yalow
  5. 1.78 hippofluff
  6. 1.94 AvGalen
  7. 2.67 Mike Hughey
  8. DNF shoot1510
Master Magic(2)
  1. 4.77 Mike Hughey
  2. 6.00 AvGalen
Snake(3)
  1. 4.92 cookingfat
  2. 6.31 shoot1510
  3. 11.13 hippofluff
Clock(3)
  1. 8.11 Vault312
  2. 15.83 AvGalen
  3. 26.41 Mike Hughey
Pyraminx(6)
  1. 11.21 Yalow
  2. 13.06 hippofluff
  3. 13.08 AvGalen
  4. 22.74 Mike Hughey
  5. 33.49 cookingfat
  6. 1:58.63 msemtd
Megaminx(7)
  1. 1:37.50 fazrulz
  2. 2:15.31 trying-to-speedcube...
  3. 3:04.09 Mike Hughey
  4. 3:32.29 AvGalen
  5. 4:06.66 hippofluff
  6. 7:36.64 msemtd
  7. DNF MTGjumper
Square-1(8)
  1. 24.25 Vault312
  2. 40.02 fazrulz
  3. 59.43 trying-to-speedcube...
  4. 1:01.00 AvGalen
  5. 1:11.35 Mike Hughey
  6. 1:16.41 Sa967St
  7. 1:19.98 byu
  8. 1:32.74 hippofluff
3x3x3 fewest moves(10)
  1. 31 guusrs
  2. 31 Vault312
  3. 35 mande
  4. 36 cuBerBruce
  5. 39 Mike Hughey
  6. 48 Kian
  7. 49 trying-to-speedcube...
  8. 50 fazrulz
  9. 53 byu
  10. DNF AvGalen
4x4x4 fewest moves(5)
  1. 75 MistArts
  2. 86 fanwuq
  3. 96 cuBerBruce
  4. 126 trying-to-speedcube...
  5. DNF byu

Contest results
  1. 216 Mike Hughey
  2. 214 fazrulz
  3. 199 trying-to-speedcube...
  4. 194 AvGalen
  5. 153 byu
  6. 140 Vault312
  7. 128 Kian
  8. 112 Escher
  9. 104 Ellis
  10. 100 hippofluff
  11. 99 MTGjumper
  12. 94 Sa967St
  13. 77 mande
  14. 76 cookingfat
  15. 74 jcuber
  16. 69 Edmund
  17. 68 MatsBergsten
  18. 56 Yalow
  19. 48 pjk
  20. 47 Gparker
  21. 38 msemtd
  22. 38 fanwuq
  23. 35 cuBerBruce
  24. 26 PeterV
  25. 23 Lord Voldemort
  26. 22 Edam
  27. 22 snowmous
  28. 21 EmersonHerrmann
  29. 20 Matthew
  30. 20 MistArts
  31. 20 guusrs
  32. 19 jsh33
  33. 15 Yes, We Can!
  34. 15 shoot1510
  35. 8 h5n1
  36. 8 Rubixcubematt
  37. 7 Novriil
  38. 6 alifiantoadinugroho
 
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I think something may have gone wrong when you added the tiebreaker to your script, because Guus and I should actually be tied for first place in FMC, but I think he ended up ahead of me because he comes first alphabetically.

Edit: All of the BLD DNFs should be tied as well, but it appears that they are not in alphabetical order.
 
Vault312 said:
I think something may have gone wrong when you added the tiebreaker to your script, because Guus and I should actually be tied for first place in FMC, but I think he ended up ahead of me because he comes first alphabetically.
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You are given points as equally shared first place. But as I cannot format in this "lousy environment" the place digits are not given by me. I only give list elements in order.
 
jcuber said:
I have been wondering, what do the points do?
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They magically :) sum themselves to a weekly total.

And those total sum themselves to a quarterly / annual summary. (we hope)

And those summaries you may interpret as some kind of ranking in each event.
Or in some cases (e.g. mine :o) just as well as a statistic of diligence.

If this was three days ago :D I should have mentioned that each point equals one dollar or one euro at the end of the year. But aprils fool is past.
 
For 2x2, am I allow to use a K8 Ball. It like a 2x2, but it in a shape of a sphere.
Because I don't a cube kind, I'll buy later on in the future at C4Y.:)

k_8_ball.jpg
 
Let me clear this up for you-
shoot1510 said:
For 2x2, am I allowed to use a K8 Ball? As you can see in the picture, it is like a 2x2, but it in a shape of a sphere.
Because I don't have a 2x2 cube, I'll have to buy one soon from C4Y.:)

k_8_ball.jpg
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Better?

To answer your question, no, I don't think you can. You may be able to mod it though, to make it cube-shaped.
 
Argh. I was one of the people that tied! Ellis and I each had a 7.37 2x2 average. I assume you put his down as 7.36 in the contest results because I lose the tiebreaker and it's just easier for whatever process you use to order us.
 
Kian said:
Argh. I was one of the people that tied! Ellis and I each had a 7.37 2x2 average. I assume you put his down as 7.36 in the contest results because I lose the tiebreaker and it's just easier for whatever process you use to order us.
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Actually I do not know. I must look into this in the near future. But now I must sleep. :(
 
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