Once I get a sub-30 skeleton that leaves only a 3 cycle, it's all easy.
It's all easy to sub-AsR, but not sub-Me. Just kidding. I might hit my head and don't know what I'm doing.
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It's all easy to sub-AsR, but not sub-Me. Just kidding. I might hit my head and don't know what I'm doing.
fanwuq
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Once I get a sub-30 skeleton that leaves only a 3 cycle, it's all easy.
It's all easy to sub-AsR, but not sub-Me. Just kidding. I might hit my head and don't know what I'm doing.
I mean it's easy not to DNF. Who will get the better solve? We will see tomorrow...
FMC
FMC:
R L F' L' R U F R2 F2 L2 F U' D R' U' R U D' R F' U' L (22)
An explanation follows.
pseudo 2x2x3 (pre-move L): R L F' L' (R) U F R2 F2 L2
corners first (this is the key!): U' F *R F' U' (L, to undo the pre-move)
insert at *: F' U F U' D R' U' R U D', 4 moves cancel out
The fifth move (R) was inserted to improve the start.
51 minutes, not much time left and I had a not too good backup in a 19-move skeleton with 5-cycle of corners left.
FMC:
R L F' L' R U F R2 F2 L2 F U' D R' U' R U D' R F' U' L (22)
An explanation follows.
pseudo 2x2x3 (pre-move L): R L F' L' (R) U F R2 F2 L2
corners first (this is the key!): U' F *R F' U' (L, to undo the pre-move)
insert at *: F' U F U' D R' U' R U D', 4 moves cancel out
The fifth move (R) was inserted to improve the start.
51 minutes, not much time left and I had a not too good backup in a 19-move skeleton with 5-cycle of corners left.
guusrs
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Mirek,
Congrats, 22 moves is unbelievable. I just *knew* there was more in it than 28 moves but this 22-mover really rocks. I just missed that 5th move......
Didn't try that insertion yet.
Gus
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Wow! Amazing solution!
This is my question that asked a page ago. What is the secret of inserting 1 move in the 2x2x3 block to make the continuation easier? Sometimes I randomly try variations of my 2x2x3 blocks, but I waste a lot of time on it and could be never sure what to do with it to improve the continuation.
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It's going to be tough to get to 6x6x6 BLD and 7x7x7 BLD this week, but I've managed to do everything else.
Mike Hughey:
2x2x2: 9.61, 10.71, 11.28, 5.61, 13.06 = 10.53
3x3x3: 30.86, 26.65, 25.09, 27.27, 28.65 = 27.52
4x4x4: 1:42.72, 1:48.55 (P), 2:02.34 (O), 2:00.31, 1:37.93 = 1:50.53
5x5x5: 2:55.27, 2:53.18, 2:35.96, 2:37.08, 3:09.78 = 2:48.51
6x6x6: 5:44.78 (O), 5:37.81, 6:36.13 (O), 5:55.43 (O), 5:16.09 = 5:46.01
7x7x7: 8:09.74, 8:19.44, 7:56.65, 8:27.08, 7:53.71 = 8:08.61
2x2x2 BLD: 59.38, 1:00.81, DNF (56.61) = 59.38
3x3x3 BLD: DNF (2:10.97), 2:30.41, DNF (2:22.38) = 2:30.41
Comment: That was bad.
4x4x4 BLD: DNF (10+, 4:30), DNF (10+, 5:28), 9:27.78 (4:45) = 9:27.78
Comment: Wow, that third solve was a relief! The first was barely over 10 minutes and off by 2 corners misoriented; the second was way over 10 minutes (probably close to 15) because of bad memorization, and was off by 4 corners misoriented.
5x5x5 BLD: 19:02.64 (11:25), 17:57.40 (9:02), 21:22.03 (9:52) = 17:57.40
Comment: All 3 correct! Not great times, but I’m happy about the accuracy.
6x6x6 BLD: DNS
7x7x7 BLD: DNS
Comment: I’ve been doing extra 5x5x5 BLDs instead of the big cubes this week, in preparation for the VA Open; I don’t know if I’ll get to 6x6x6 or 7x7x7 BLD this week or not.
3x3x3 multiBLD: 3/3 = 3 points, 14:28.54 (8:55)
3x3x3 OH: 49.88, 53.27, 42.30, 53.91, 55.22 = 52.35
3x3x3 WF: DNF, 2:20.18, 2:09.86, 2:10.53, 2:45.38 = 2:25.36
Comment: Stopped the timer by accident on the first one. It was frustrating - I was just finishing the F2L at 1:13 when it happened. It would probably have been my best solve.
3x3x3 Match the scramble: 2:32.16, 1:42.96, 1:50.52, 1:47.94, 1:58.30 = 1:52.25
2-4 Relay: 3:05.56 (OP)
2-5 Relay: 5:59.56 (P)
2-6 Relay: 12:31.62 (P, P)
2-7 Relay: 21:53.90 (none, none)
Magic: 2.46, 2.56, 2.84, 2.36, 3.59 = 2.62
Master Magic: 5.03, 5.72, 4.34, 4.61, 4.11 = 4.66
Snake: DNS yet
Clock: 55.55, 25.13, 22.06, 20.41, 25.05 = 24.08
MegaMinx: 3:46.65, 3:14.33, 3:35.36, 3:16.55, 3:31.46 = 3:27.79
Pyraminx: 25.22, 16.53, 27.40, 53.36, 17.00 = 23.21
Square-1: 1:29.53, 1:12.56, 1:35.09 (P), 1:04.19 (P), 1:23.83 (P) = 1:21.97
3x3x3 Fewest Moves: 38 moves
L’ D B’ R’ D’ U2 F2 R’ L F L’ U R’ U2 B’ F R2 B F’ U’ R D’ R U2 R’ D R B U B’ U R’ U2 R’ F R F’ U2
2x2x2: L’ D B’ R’ D’
2x cross (+ corner): U2 F2 R’ L F L’
3rd edge: U R’ . U’ R
finish F2L: D’ R U2 R’ D
OLL: R B U B’ U R’ U2 R’ F R F’ U2
insert at .: U2 B’ F R2 B F’
No cancellations anywhere hurt, but let’s face facts, doing this poorly on a scramble that was apparently this easy proves I’m really bad at fewest moves. Oh well, it’s fun even if I’m terrible at it.
Anyway, great job everyone on the amazing solutions. Especially to Mirek - totally awesome!
4x4x4 Fewest Moves: 99 moves
U' F B' D2 Rw U' L D2 L' U L D2 L2 Fw2 U Fw' L' Fw U2 Fw U Rw2 B Rw' U2 Rw' R' B L Uw2 F Uw2 F Uw F2 Uw F' Dw F2 Uw2 D F' D' F Uw R2 Uw B U2 B' Uw' B' Rw' F' L2 F Rw' B L B' Rw2 F Dw2 B' D' B Dw2 U' F2 L' B L2 U L2 R F' D' F2 D' R D2 R' D' R D2 R D R' B2 F U' L' U L B L' B F' D'
centers: U' F B' D2 Rw . L' Fw2 U Fw' L' Fw U2 Fw
U Rw2 B Rw' U2 Rw'
R' B L Uw2
F Uw2 F Uw F2 Uw
F' Dw F2 Uw'
edges: Uw' D F' D' F Uw
R2 Uw B U2 B' Uw'
B' Rw' F' L2 F Rw' B L B' Rw2
F Dw2 B' D' B Dw2
3x3x3: U' F2 L' B L2 U L2
3x3x4: R F' D' F2
3x cross: D' R D2 R' D' R
4th pair: D2 R D R'
OLL: B2 F U' L' U L B L' B F' D'
insert at .: U' L D2 L' U L D2 L'
L' L' become L2 after .; Uw' Uw' become Uw2 after centers.
Comment: I decided to try a one-hour attempt. Got this in 58 minutes. Centers were horrible; the rest wasn't too bad, I guess.
Mike Hughey:
2x2x2: 9.61, 10.71, 11.28, 5.61, 13.06 = 10.53
3x3x3: 30.86, 26.65, 25.09, 27.27, 28.65 = 27.52
4x4x4: 1:42.72, 1:48.55 (P), 2:02.34 (O), 2:00.31, 1:37.93 = 1:50.53
5x5x5: 2:55.27, 2:53.18, 2:35.96, 2:37.08, 3:09.78 = 2:48.51
6x6x6: 5:44.78 (O), 5:37.81, 6:36.13 (O), 5:55.43 (O), 5:16.09 = 5:46.01
7x7x7: 8:09.74, 8:19.44, 7:56.65, 8:27.08, 7:53.71 = 8:08.61
2x2x2 BLD: 59.38, 1:00.81, DNF (56.61) = 59.38
3x3x3 BLD: DNF (2:10.97), 2:30.41, DNF (2:22.38) = 2:30.41
Comment: That was bad.
4x4x4 BLD: DNF (10+, 4:30), DNF (10+, 5:28), 9:27.78 (4:45) = 9:27.78
Comment: Wow, that third solve was a relief! The first was barely over 10 minutes and off by 2 corners misoriented; the second was way over 10 minutes (probably close to 15) because of bad memorization, and was off by 4 corners misoriented.
5x5x5 BLD: 19:02.64 (11:25), 17:57.40 (9:02), 21:22.03 (9:52) = 17:57.40
Comment: All 3 correct! Not great times, but I’m happy about the accuracy.
6x6x6 BLD: DNS
7x7x7 BLD: DNS
Comment: I’ve been doing extra 5x5x5 BLDs instead of the big cubes this week, in preparation for the VA Open; I don’t know if I’ll get to 6x6x6 or 7x7x7 BLD this week or not.
3x3x3 multiBLD: 3/3 = 3 points, 14:28.54 (8:55)
3x3x3 OH: 49.88, 53.27, 42.30, 53.91, 55.22 = 52.35
3x3x3 WF: DNF, 2:20.18, 2:09.86, 2:10.53, 2:45.38 = 2:25.36
Comment: Stopped the timer by accident on the first one. It was frustrating - I was just finishing the F2L at 1:13 when it happened. It would probably have been my best solve.
3x3x3 Match the scramble: 2:32.16, 1:42.96, 1:50.52, 1:47.94, 1:58.30 = 1:52.25
2-4 Relay: 3:05.56 (OP)
2-5 Relay: 5:59.56 (P)
2-6 Relay: 12:31.62 (P, P)
2-7 Relay: 21:53.90 (none, none)
Magic: 2.46, 2.56, 2.84, 2.36, 3.59 = 2.62
Master Magic: 5.03, 5.72, 4.34, 4.61, 4.11 = 4.66
Snake: DNS yet
Clock: 55.55, 25.13, 22.06, 20.41, 25.05 = 24.08
MegaMinx: 3:46.65, 3:14.33, 3:35.36, 3:16.55, 3:31.46 = 3:27.79
Pyraminx: 25.22, 16.53, 27.40, 53.36, 17.00 = 23.21
Square-1: 1:29.53, 1:12.56, 1:35.09 (P), 1:04.19 (P), 1:23.83 (P) = 1:21.97
3x3x3 Fewest Moves: 38 moves
L’ D B’ R’ D’ U2 F2 R’ L F L’ U R’ U2 B’ F R2 B F’ U’ R D’ R U2 R’ D R B U B’ U R’ U2 R’ F R F’ U2
2x2x2: L’ D B’ R’ D’
2x cross (+ corner): U2 F2 R’ L F L’
3rd edge: U R’ . U’ R
finish F2L: D’ R U2 R’ D
OLL: R B U B’ U R’ U2 R’ F R F’ U2
insert at .: U2 B’ F R2 B F’
No cancellations anywhere hurt, but let’s face facts, doing this poorly on a scramble that was apparently this easy proves I’m really bad at fewest moves. Oh well, it’s fun even if I’m terrible at it.
Anyway, great job everyone on the amazing solutions. Especially to Mirek - totally awesome!4x4x4 Fewest Moves: 99 moves
U' F B' D2 Rw U' L D2 L' U L D2 L2 Fw2 U Fw' L' Fw U2 Fw U Rw2 B Rw' U2 Rw' R' B L Uw2 F Uw2 F Uw F2 Uw F' Dw F2 Uw2 D F' D' F Uw R2 Uw B U2 B' Uw' B' Rw' F' L2 F Rw' B L B' Rw2 F Dw2 B' D' B Dw2 U' F2 L' B L2 U L2 R F' D' F2 D' R D2 R' D' R D2 R D R' B2 F U' L' U L B L' B F' D'
centers: U' F B' D2 Rw . L' Fw2 U Fw' L' Fw U2 Fw
U Rw2 B Rw' U2 Rw'
R' B L Uw2
F Uw2 F Uw F2 Uw
F' Dw F2 Uw'
edges: Uw' D F' D' F Uw
R2 Uw B U2 B' Uw'
B' Rw' F' L2 F Rw' B L B' Rw2
F Dw2 B' D' B Dw2
3x3x3: U' F2 L' B L2 U L2
3x3x4: R F' D' F2
3x cross: D' R D2 R' D' R
4th pair: D2 R D R'
OLL: B2 F U' L' U L B L' B F' D'
insert at .: U' L D2 L' U L D2 L'
L' L' become L2 after .; Uw' Uw' become Uw2 after centers.
Comment: I decided to try a one-hour attempt. Got this in 58 minutes. Centers were horrible; the rest wasn't too bad, I guess.
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3x3x3 multiBLD: 2/3 16:07.78 (9:00 memo)
My first serious attempt at multi. The first and second cubes were correct, I made an execution mistake on the third cube. No memo issues, but I think I'd like to make a better memo system for corners before I attempt more. I'm not great at visual and this was beginning to push what I think I'm capable of at this moment.
I'll do some more later.
My first serious attempt at multi. The first and second cubes were correct, I made an execution mistake on the third cube. No memo issues, but I think I'd like to make a better memo system for corners before I attempt more. I'm not great at visual and this was beginning to push what I think I'm capable of at this moment.
I'll do some more later.
MTGjumper
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2x2: 05.99, 05.78, 06.28, 03.23, 05.91 = 5.89
Good
3x3: 13.33, 15.81, 16.00, 12.64, 16.27 = 15.05
Good
4x4: 1:23.77, 1:33.19, 1:32.20, 1:23.84, 1:29.78 = 1:28.61
Average I'm still using my terrible cube though :/
2x2: 05.99, 05.78, 06.28, 03.23, 05.91 = 5.89
Good
3x3: 13.33, 15.81, 16.00, 12.64, 16.27 = 15.05
Good
4x4: 1:23.77, 1:33.19, 1:32.20, 1:23.84, 1:29.78 = 1:28.61
Average
I'm still using my terrible cube though :/I am not sure if you're still asking. My answer would be this: Inserting one move that appears to do nothing for you is always worth it to try. You can quickly try all three moves (like F, F2, F') and few more continuing moves and judge based on your experience whether it gives you any adantage. It is faster than trying a new completely different start. It is especially useful when you build a 2x2x2 block in a small number (say 5 or less) of moves or 2x2x3 block in less than 10 moves or when you have a short skeleton that you need to improve.
fanwuq
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Thanks. Is it just guess and check? Are there any situations where you can see that you need to insert a certain move in the block?
For the premove and cycle insertions, it's very easy to see when you need to do one.
For the premove and cycle insertions, it's very easy to see when you need to do one.
Dene
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2x2x2: 14.83 11.27 11.75 11.22 11.43 => 11.48
3x3x3: 17.63 19.97 15.91 18.22 18.33 => 18.06
3x3x3_OH: 27.41 31.63 29.31 35.80 36.52 => 32.25
3x3x3_feet: 1:34.80 1:12.09 1:39.08 1:46.36 1:27.47 => 1:33.78
5x5x5: 2:05.84 2:00.58 2:03.02 1:58.55 1:51.86 => 2:00.72
6x6x6: 4:11.99 4:13.22 4:45.86 4:42.71 4:28.83 => 4:28.25
VPop-o-matic.
7x7x7: 6:29.38 6:12.14 6:14.66 5:44.31 6:01.11 => 6:09.30
3x3x3: 17.63 19.97 15.91 18.22 18.33 => 18.06
3x3x3_OH: 27.41 31.63 29.31 35.80 36.52 => 32.25
3x3x3_feet: 1:34.80 1:12.09 1:39.08 1:46.36 1:27.47 => 1:33.78
5x5x5: 2:05.84 2:00.58 2:03.02 1:58.55 1:51.86 => 2:00.72
6x6x6: 4:11.99 4:13.22 4:45.86 4:42.71 4:28.83 => 4:28.25
VPop-o-matic.
7x7x7: 6:29.38 6:12.14 6:14.66 5:44.31 6:01.11 => 6:09.30
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Yes. In some situations, I can see that one inserted move may prepare other cubies for easier corner-edge pairs. But mostly I just try because it's fast and I can see more.
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Clock: 10.93 (12.28) (8.63) 10.18 9.51 => 10.21
Magic: 1.01 (1.00) (DNF) 1.04 1.04 => 1.03
Master Magic: (2.63) 2.66 (DNF) 3.75 2.67 => 3.03
Done in practicing for the Swedish Cubeday
Magic: 1.01 (1.00) (DNF) 1.04 1.04 => 1.03
Master Magic: (2.63) 2.66 (DNF) 3.75 2.67 => 3.03
Done in practicing for the Swedish Cubeday
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2: 2.39, (4.70), 3.35, (1.19), 4.59 => 3.44, 1.19 was too easy
3OH: 22.41, (19.53), (27.38), 25.36, 22.30 => 23.36 typical average
3OH: 22.41, (19.53), (27.38), 25.36, 22.30 => 23.36 typical average
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TMOY
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This made me want to try the 2^3 scrambles:
7:56 9:02 (10:02) (2:28) 6:97 => 7:85
LOL... The 4th should definitely be posted in the easy/funny/whatever scrambles thread.
7:56 9:02 (10:02) (2:28) 6:97 => 7:85
LOL... The 4th should definitely be posted in the easy/funny/whatever scrambles thread.
not_kevin
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Just because I saw those ridiculous times on 2x2x2 solve 4:
2x2x2: 5.71 6.97 (6.98) (2.65) 5.80 = 6.16
Yeah... just a little broken
2x2x2: 5.71 6.97 (6.98) (2.65) 5.80 = 6.16
Yeah... just a little broken
cubedrummer67
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2x2: 7.94, 8.09, 9.90, (4.56), (12.00) = 8.64. Wow. That totally sucks.
3x3: (19.03), 21.80, (DNF), 20.72, 21.56 = 20.78. Suckage. I can't even believe it.
4x4: 1:15.80, 1:22.44, 1:34.59, 1:26.33, 1:34.00 = 1:26.63. Oh well. That's what happens when I get OLL parity on EVERY FRICKING SOLVE. I hate that.
2x2+3x3+4x4 Relay: 1:45.46. Very nice. 4x4 was 1:18, 2x2 was about 8, 3x3 was 19.
3x3: (19.03), 21.80, (DNF), 20.72, 21.56 = 20.78. Suckage. I can't even believe it.
4x4: 1:15.80, 1:22.44, 1:34.59, 1:26.33, 1:34.00 = 1:26.63. Oh well. That's what happens when I get OLL parity on EVERY FRICKING SOLVE. I hate that.
2x2+3x3+4x4 Relay: 1:45.46. Very nice. 4x4 was 1:18, 2x2 was about 8, 3x3 was 19.
camcuber
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2x2 Speedsolve: 6.82 , 7.74 , 6.62 , 1.94 (1 move for first layer and pll skip), 5.35
Average: 6.26
2x2 Blindfolded: DNF , 1:09.69 , 5.53 (just had to memorize the pll! SUPER LUCKY)
3x3 Speedsolve: 14.93 , 15.73 , 14.30 , 19.87 , 11.15 (PLL Skip)
Average: 14.49
4x4 Speedsolve: 1:55.00 , 1:29.58 , 1:43.36 , 1:26.35 , 1:34.46
Average: 1:35.80
Average: 6.26
2x2 Blindfolded: DNF , 1:09.69 , 5.53 (just had to memorize the pll! SUPER LUCKY)
3x3 Speedsolve: 14.93 , 15.73 , 14.30 , 19.87 , 11.15 (PLL Skip)
Average: 14.49
4x4 Speedsolve: 1:55.00 , 1:29.58 , 1:43.36 , 1:26.35 , 1:34.46
Average: 1:35.80
