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US Nationals 2012 (Las Vegas)

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As with the 2011 planning thread, try to keep the noise down. "I think the rule is you're allowed to suggest something only if you have the capability of holding a competition there by yourself. That means, you have the ability to secure the venue. Or at least, you would be able to begin the process. None of this, "oh, let's just rent out a broadway theater" stuff."

We're not hosting the World Cup. We don't need room for 10,000. Almost any decent size city is going to have a venue. The organizers aren't interested in doing the legwork for you taking a few seconds to type a venue ("Hey, what about the convention center in Fooville? They're big and there's a Chuck E Cheese nearby"). Instead, try, "Hey, would you be interested in my contacting the convention center in Fooville?" And if we suggest that you do, then actually follow up and see if you can get some quote on price and availability.
 

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Well, Lucas is filled with noise. "Your hotel is near the venue" type noise. Anyway, San Diego is in my thoughts. Here are my thoughts so far:

San Diego, but I would be depending on Adam Zamora to come up with a suitable venue
Colorado, but I would be depending on Patrick Kelly/Daniel Hayes to come up with a suitable venue
Las Vegas, how much will it cost?
San Francisco, exploratorium may be moving to a new building
Los Angeles, could probably find something here... perhaps UCLA, but I have no connections there
 

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I have connections at USC.
My uncle works there. I can try to get a hall.

I thought about this. A hall at USC would probably be very nice. My main worry about USC though, is the surrounding area is not very good. And I'm not about to have cubers walking around the streets on their own in that area. Unless it's cleaned up, but as far as I remember, it's not the best area.

UCLA, on the other hand, is a nicer area. Westwood has restaurants, and it would be a lot more comfortable in my opinion. Last thing I want is another 2008 incident.
 
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I thought about this. A hall at USC would probably be very nice. My main worry about USC though, is the surrounding area is not very good. And I'm not about to have cubers walking around the streets on their own in that area. Unless it's cleaned up, but as far as I remember, it's not the best area.

UCLA, on the other hand, is a nicer area. Westwood has restaurants, and it would be a lot more comfortable in my opinion. Last thing I want is another 2008 incident.

What happened in 2008?!
 

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I've thought about looking into disneyland as a venue. There's a very good transportation network from the two major airports in the area, lots to do for families who don't want to cube all day, and a variety of hotels ranging from cheap to luxurious. Plus it's in my backyard

A few things I'd like to know while I'm asking around:

How many rooms did we end up booking for nationals 2010? (after our block was extended)
How many people would a prospective venue need to hold?
As far as dates, are we thinking similar to previous years? Early-mid august?

One other thing: is anyone actively going out and seeking corporate sponsorship for events like this? How much has this been explored in the past? I'm not sure exactly what it would entail but it's worth considering. This year at the hotel every vending machine ran out of Mountain Dew by the end of the weekend: we should try to get PepsiCo on this.
 
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As with the 2011 planning thread, try to keep the noise down. "I think the rule is you're allowed to suggest something only if you have the capability of holding a competition there by yourself. That means, you have the ability to secure the venue. Or at least, you would be able to begin the process. None of this, "oh, let's just rent out a broadway theater" stuff."

Yes. I'd be more than happy to hand out bans to people who do not comply with this.
 

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I like the Disneyland idea; however outlandish it sounds at first, they do do high school band days, graduation nights, etc., so we know they're not against holding medium-large scale events. I would look into it if I weren't on the other side of the state... my first hunch though, is that it would be more feasible to do it at one of the Disneyland hotels?

Being at Berkeley, should I inquire into rooms here? Offhand I can tell you there's:
Wheeler Hall (capacity 705); dimensions: Proscenium 15' X 30'
Offstage Right limited
Offstage Left limited
Curtain to rear wall none
Curtain to last line set no linesets
Curtain to edge of apron 15'

Zellerbach Hall (Seats 2000+)
Proscenium 63'x30' (19.20m x 9.14m)
Typical Trim 40-44' x 22-24' (12.2m-13.5m x 6.71m-7.32m)
Offstage Right 30' (9.5m)
Offstage Left 12' (3.66m)
Curtain to rear wall 44' (13.4m)
Curtain to last line set 42'5" (12.95m)
Curtain to edge of apron 6' (1.85m)
Curtain to edge of pit 18'6" (5.65m)
Orchestra Pit 12'6" (deepest point) (3.84m)
Height of stage from auditorium 3'6" (1.07m)
Distance to grid 80' (max. out trim 73') (24.4m)


Note: Pit can accomodate up to 50 musicians. Wagnerian pit is also available, expanding pit area to 19' (5.8m); and diminishing house capacity in orchestra by 53 seats. Rows EE & FF must be removed.


Pauley Ballroom (giant room; can be filled with chairs and other things)
The dimensions are 84' x 108', West Pauley 84' x 72' and East Pauley 84' x 36'.

Hertz Hall (Seats 400-600? I honestly have no idea. It's a concert hall).
Tech specs not listed. But again, it's a concert hall. A full symphonic orchestra sits on the stage comfortably.
 

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I thought so too but lately I'm not so sure. I work in the call center that books their hotels (albeit for the consumer side, so I don't know too much about the convention department) but from what I've heard, with a decent group rate you can stay at a hotel on the disney property for less than we paid in Cambridge (not to mention the other local hotels in the area). I'm not sure how much the meeting space itself will cost, but there are many smaller conventions that don't have as much to spend as the MLB.

Plus, like I noted in my first post, we don't yet know what our sponsorship situation will be by then. I would hope we would be able to secure funding at least on the level of other competitions at the same scale (euros, worlds, etc).
 

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I've thought about looking into disneyland as a venue. There's a very good transportation network from the two major airports in the area, lots to do for families who don't want to cube all day, and a variety of hotels ranging from cheap to luxurious. Plus it's in my backyard

A few things I'd like to know while I'm asking around:

How many rooms did we end up booking for nationals 2010? (after our block was extended)
How many people would a prospective venue need to hold?
As far as dates, are we thinking similar to previous years? Early-mid august?

One other thing: is anyone actively going out and seeking corporate sponsorship for events like this? How much has this been explored in the past? I'm not sure exactly what it would entail but it's worth considering. This year at the hotel every vending machine ran out of Mountain Dew by the end of the weekend: we should try to get PepsiCo on this.

I think we had 30 rooms at first for US Nationals 2010. We extended it to 40 and then maybe 50. The problem was that people simply didn't book their rooms until the last minute, so I had no idea how many rooms were needed. (As a side note, for 2011, there is limited hotel space.) I would imagine for a competition in Southern California, we would want about 75 to 100 hotel rooms.

A prospective venue would need to be able to handle about 300 competitors. That's looking for a place that can hold 600+ total people. Actually, maybe more. But you also have to consider the ratio of the space. The competition is stage-space dependent.

The dates are flexible, but I would start out by looking at early-mid August. If you find some amazing deal, we could do the competition whenever.

With corporate sponsorship, we just haven't had the man-power to do this. It would entail writing a letter, and then blasting it out to potential corporate sponsors. If someone can step up to the plate and get this done, I would support it. But I don't have the time to do this for now.
 

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The competition is stage-space dependent.

One thing that's also easy to forget is that the audience space should be open; a traditional auditorium should have many aisles as possible. I've seen some beautiful auditoria that seem great at first glance, but where the entire central range of seating would be practically useless if we want the competitors to come up on stage and mingle a lot. WC09 completely turned that around with tables in an open space, but in practice, more needs to be looked at than the stage.

(Not that I don't think Tyson and the others know that, but I think many people don't think about it.)
 

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One thing that's also easy to forget is that the audience space should be open; a traditional auditorium should have many aisles as possible. I've seen some beautiful auditoria that seem great at first glance, but where the entire central range of seating would be practically useless if we want the competitors to come up on stage and mingle a lot. WC09 completely turned that around with tables in an open space, but in practice, more needs to be looked at than the stage.

Agreed. During the course of the competition, people aren't actually sitting in the auditorium seating watching the stage for hours on end. They're practicing, walking around, socializing with other cubers, playing with puzzles and other games. I liked the arrangement at WC09 (as well as at some smaller competitions like Missouri Open and one of the Utah competitions) with the tables for people to sit at. It felt more open and it was easier to move around.

I didn't spend much time in the audience at Nationals last year, but I think an open audience area is a good direction to move towards.
 

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I know it was just held this way, but I'll throw the option on the table anyway.

I may be able to get Liberty Science Center.

Pros:
- Accessible via public transportation
- Several spaces (400 seat theater, 300 seat theater, 100 seat theater, several lobbies and halls)
- I can probably secure this venue at low cost to us
- Several airports nearby (EWR, JFK, LGA)
- Ferry ride across from NYC (lot to do in surrounding area)
- No shortage of nearby hotels

Cons:
- Nationals was only about 200 miles away in 2010
- It is not west of Ohio
- Not walking distance to nearest hotel (I don't think)
 
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It's not walking distance, but the PATH train is right there. And we could probably get rooms at the Embassy Suites in the Financial Center (I used to work around there) for not TERRIBLY expensive. It'll be expensive, but if we could get a rate like we did in Boston ($150), I would say it's a success. There would probably be some good cubing opportunities in New York City as well.

In terms of access to the competition, it would probably be PATH train + walking or something like that right? I'd have to go to the science center myself to check it out. Perhaps 2013?
 

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It's still open for discussion. There are a number of leads being pursued now but no contract has been signed.

As for dates, 8/3 to 8/5 in 2012 look okay? Is that better than 8/10 to 8/12? The main concern with 8/3 to 8/5 is summer school or something like that.
 

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What about middle of the summer. and as i was saying for 2013 what about DEN? would that be possible? I find that in the Southwest school starts later and ends sooner then the rest of the USA. We start early august and end late may. rather then late august or even september like everyone else
 

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I would argue that rotating locations is better than central location. Rotating locations distributes the cost of travel roughly equally among cubers across the country across a 3-4 year period, whereas a "central" location (e.g. I would consider almost any state in the Mountain and Central Timezones that doesn't border Canada or Mexico a "central" state) unequally distributes higher costs to those living on the coasts, which have a higher population of speedcubers as it is (I think? There are a ton in CA and the Northeast Corridor just by virtue of population density).

More important is for there to be a nice large airport and/or secondary airports (I personally think tOSU doesn't do as well here, but the airport is close to large enough the perks of having an awesome organizing base more than make for it) and nearby attractions (food, lodging, etc.). So a city such as LA, SF, or Orlando, although coastal, can and will have cheaper airfare options by virtue of sheer competition of airlines and hotels than, say, Cheyenne. No disrespect to Cheyenne intended.
 

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Indianapolis!!!

Nah, I don't really care, I just took the 790 cubers from
http://www.cubingusa.com/cubers.php
and plugged them into
http://www.geomidpoint.com/
and it says the center of minimum combined distance is a bit north of Indianapolis.

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And the "geographic midpoint" is a bit west of it:

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