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At least Ciaran's achievement is recognised in the community, who are the only people who really care anyway.
that's a good point, but I still don't like to be ignored. I won the biggest most important competition of my life over the weekend and yet Rob is getting the recognition for winning. But still congrats to him for becoming uk champ because he thoroughly deserves it
 

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that's a good point, but I still don't like to be ignored. I won the biggest most important competition of my life over the weekend and yet Rob is getting the recognition for winning. But still congrats to him for becoming uk champ because he thoroughly deserves it
And congrats to you for the win. That final average was great to watch! :D
 
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that's a good point, but I still don't like to be ignored. I won the biggest most important competition of my life over the weekend and yet Rob is getting the recognition for winning. But still congrats to him for becoming uk champ because he thoroughly deserves it
Why do we do the whole "title" thing anyway? I think it's pretty stupid. You won, and Rob did not.
 

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Why do we do the whole "title" thing anyway? I think it's pretty stupid. You won, and Rob did not.
Both winners deserve credit and respect for their achievements. The purpose of a UK Championship is to decide a UK Champion. Rob won the UK Championship title as the fastest UK entrant. Ciaran won the tournament on the day and is credited with that on the WCA site, but is not from the UK so not eligible to be UK Champion. That's not too difficult a concept to grasp or accept, is it? The rules were clear before the competition, so non-UK cubers can choose not to enter if they think it's unfair to them.
 
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Why do we do the whole "title" thing anyway? I think it's pretty stupid. You won, and Rob did not.
Technically the UK champs is meant to crown the best UK speedcuber, but you cant exclude competitors based on nationality, so this is the only way to do it. It's just like how it's done for US nationals.
 
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that's a good point, but I still don't like to be ignored. I won the biggest most important competition of my life over the weekend and yet Rob is getting the recognition for winning. But still congrats to him for becoming uk champ because he thoroughly deserves it
I agree.

We need to get a 'British Isles'/'UK and Ireland' champs at some point. BIC? UKIC?
 
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Technically the UK champs is meant to crown the best UK speedcuber, but you cant exclude competitors based on nationality, so this is the only way to do it. It's just like how it's done for US nationals.
Give the big gold trophy to Ciarán because he won. Observe that Rob was the fastest UK entrant. He is called "UK Champion".
 
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I think BIC would be fine but what if the same thing happened except a french competitor won for example? How should we handle all foreign competitors who actually win an event?
Inb4 Feliks, Mats, Collin, etc. are all sponsored to go

EDIT: actually, how was this dealt with at the China championships?
 
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Give the big gold trophy to Ciarán because he won. Observe that Rob was the fastest UK entrant. He is called "UK Champion".
What about if there is £5000 prize money?

If you're not from Europe you can't win prizes at European Championships.
Same goes for UK Champs.

It used to be called UK Open. It was changed specifically to 'crown' UK champions.
 
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There's lots of championships where foreign competitors win. Why is this suddenly a big deal?

I remember at Dutch Nationals this year, 2 Germans and a Greek got first to third place in one-handed. So the Dutch champion in OH actually got 4th place at the comp :p
 
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GOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL:
2x2: sub 3, sub 4.2 no, no
3x3: sub 11, sub 13.3 no, no
4x4: sub 57, sub 59 no, no
5x5: sub 2:10, sub 2:15 no, no
Pyraminx: sub 5, sub 7 (for the last time) no, so close...
Skewb: sub 5, sub 7 YEEEES, YESSS podium
Megaminx: cutoff (basically overall PB) no
OH: sub 20, sub 26.5 no, no
3BLD: sub 4 no
Avoid Eli at all times if he has a square-1 no
Have an AWESOME time. I'm feeling a good comp here. Yes
Didn't perform very well but it was very nice meeting everyone again. Really enjoyed this; thank you everyone in the UKCA team for organising this.
 
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Foreign competitors have the chance to win UK competitions almost once a month all throughout the year.

All we ask is for one competition per year so that we can name our champion... AND we still let you compete because we're so nice!
I could understand this if Feliks appeared at UKC 2016 and destroyed the competition.
But we're talking about someone who goes to almost all UK competitions, because there aren't many Irish ones. Someone who has been a member of the UK cubing community for quite some time now.

The title of UK Champion is just that. A title. Rob came 2nd in 3x3, therefore he should receive the 2nd place trophy. He did amazingly well and I really don't want to offend him or anyone if I appear to undermine his achievements, but Ciaran won.

In future competitions I propose a separate trophy for UK Champion. Ciaran came 1st in 3x3 which should equal 1st place trophy and the media attention that comes with it.

The trophy is not the whole issue. I bet Ciaran would've been happy to walk away knowing he'd won the competition, and Rob could have the trophy. But the decision plus the scale of the competition has meant Rob is being hailed victor of the competition. I would've thought a funnier article title would've been how an Irishman came to the UK and beat us all at our own thing xD.

I know the media simply sees Rob holding a big gold trophy and thinks "He must've won", but we didn't really help the cause in that sense :/ We know the media jumps to conclusions to get a good story, but it should've been made absolutely clear the true winner.
 
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