Turbo?

[Faz]

Btw, I use classic pochmann corners and M2 for edges - I'm thinking of trying freestyle corners and soon TuRBo.

My average is 2-3 mins, memo time being 1-2 mins. Is it worth it?

 

[happa95]

Btw, I use classic pochmann corners and M2 for edges - I'm thinking of trying freestyle corners and soon TuRBo.

My average is 2-3 mins, memo time being 1-2 mins. Is it worth it?

I am actually in almost the exact same predicament as you: I use classic Pochmann corners and M2 edges. However, my times are more in the 3-4 minute range... From what I can tell, I think the best thing to do would be to first try to reduce memorization. Memorization can be trained pretty easily. After that, I think TuRBo sounds really nice for edges, especially because you can try to start incorporating other random algs that you learn. I tried to do a U-perm when the next two pieces were RF and UF: it ended up complete fail because the centers were switched.

 

[martijn_cube]

edit: what do you tubro users use when you have some 2 cycles? of when you have parity? i could do the 2 cycle with M2 or classic-pochmann, and parity at the and with 2 corners right?
maybe i want to switch to turbo, or just switch to total freestyle, i don't really know yet. turbo edges is pretty cool.

TuRBo uses UF buffer. If you have more cycles you break into new cycles. Or you can setup to H/Z-perm if you want.

I did some sighted solves, and when i for example would have the cycle: UF->BL->LF it's easier to make a U move to get the 3 cycle. but then UF becomes FU in the cycle. that's why i also wrote down the FU cycles.

I now start my solve with edges. but with freestyle/TuRBo would it be better to start with corners or isn't there much difference? how would you solve a parity?

 

[happa95]

edit: what do you tubro users use when you have some 2 cycles? of when you have parity? i could do the 2 cycle with M2 or classic-pochmann, and parity at the and with 2 corners right?
maybe i want to switch to turbo, or just switch to total freestyle, i don't really know yet. turbo edges is pretty cool.

TuRBo uses UF buffer. If you have more cycles you break into new cycles. Or you can setup to H/Z-perm if you want.

I did some sighted solves, and when i for example would have the cycle: UF->BL->LF it's easier to make a U move to get the 3 cycle. but then UF becomes FU in the cycle. that's why i also wrote down the FU cycles.

I now start my solve with edges. but with freestyle/TuRBo would it be better to start with corners or isn't there much difference? how would you solve a parity?

For UF->BL->LF, do a d turn then L' R.

 

[martijn_cube]

yeah that's also possible. But a U move should be faster right? and when you use FU as buffer, the cycle is just the inverse of the UF version. so when you have UL->UR it becomes LU->RU.

 

[martijn_cube]

I made alot of new corner algs for turbo. i think there alot better then the originals. but the originals were only made to be optimal . Now there a bit more finger-trick-friendly. i found 2 new edge algs, and all but 6 corner algs. the 6 corner algs were already good i think. I found most of them with cube explorer, and some on my one.
I would like to know if people already use some of them, or have better/other ones they use.

here is a picture of all the algs.

 

[Lucas Garron]

I made alot of new corner algs for turbo. i think there alot better then the originals. but the originals were only made to be optimal . Now there a bit more finger-trick-friendly.

For UF-R-U, why not Ul'U'LUMU'L'ULU' ?

 

[martijn_cube]

I made alot of new corner algs for turbo. i think there alot better then the originals. but the originals were only made to be optimal . Now there a bit more finger-trick-friendly.

For UF-R-U, why not Ul'U'LUMU'L'ULU' ?

I think i like this one more i don't really like L moves. but maybe i should give it a try. but the sexy move is pretty fast, right?

edit: I made a mirror one of the UF-R-U version. so thats almost the same as UF-L-U.
U' r' (U' R U ) M' ( U' R' U ) R U

new version with the above alg in it

 

[vloc15]

nice..i'm also planning on learning TuRBo

 

[martijn_cube]

i think i like edges a bit more then corners. with corners the setup-moves are sometimes a bit hard. but maybe it's just practice.

i'm still in a bit of doubt if i want to use TuRBo or complete freestyle.

 

[Rubixcubematt]

i think i like edges a bit more then corners. with corners the setup-moves are sometimes a bit hard. but maybe it's just practice.

i'm still in a bit of doubt if i want to use TuRBo or complete freestyle.

If you use complete freestyle, you can use TuRBo algs, it is still freestyle.....

 

[martijn_cube]

made a new version of the TuRBo algs. some small changes.
http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9589

 

[happa95]

Just as an update, I am currently learning TuRBo corners.

 

[martijn_cube]

nice. and wow your PB is already 1:53 very nice.
are you learning my TuRBo corner algs or do you have different ones?

 

[happa95]

nice. and wow your PB is already 1:53 very nice.
are you learning my TuRBo corner algs or do you have different ones?

It was actually a split second choice to learn. I'm finding that I dont really like TuRBo all that well... I may try orienting corners then doing 3-cycles with a free buffer. But, I'm starting to average sub-3, so I may stick with M2 and classic pochmann for a while.

 

[martijn_cube]

What is you memo time and method. because 1:39 seems pretty fast to me. i can get a 1 min solve time. so i guess your memo time is around 40 to 1 min time?
and maybe you can use M2 with freestyle/TuRBo corners.
on the otherhand, i think TuRBo edge is very nice.

 

[happa95]

What is you memo time and method. because 1:39 seems pretty fast to me. i can get a 1 min solve time. so i guess your memo time is around 40 to 1 min time?
and maybe you can use M2 with freestyle/TuRBo corners.
on the otherhand, i think TuRBo edge is very nice.

My memo is usually about 1:15-1:30. This solve just happened to look good so I rushed the memo. I think that i like M2 a lot so I'm not switching that. I may add some stuff to it but I will definately not switch edge methods.

 

[martijn_cube]

my memo time is also around that. yeah i like m2 too. but i think other methods can be faster. and the memo with turbo is a bit easier i think.

 

[byu]

Ok, just an update. I've finally learned all the corner and edge TuRBo algs, and know what they do. Now Im working on a freestyle method that is sort of based on TuRBo and uses all of the TuRBo algs