The Ultimate Speedcubing Showdown: Erik Akkersdijk vs. Mátyás Kuti

[isaacthecuber]

Isn't he the fastest all around 3x3 solver? That is, the lowest sum of the rank in single solve + average (2+2 = 4)

The original quote can be seen here:
http://speedsolving.com/showthread.php?t=2637

After reading this, I thought about how to judge the best overall speedcuber.

One way to judge this is to just base it on opinion. Such as this tread did:
http://speedsolving.com/showthread.php?t=2433
In this thread, Mátyás Kuti was voted the better cuber.

I wanted to find a way that focused on numbers, not just opinion.

So one simple way of doing this would just be to add up two cubers official rankings and compare them. The lowest score wins. You have to make sure your comparing the same categories however. For example, Mátyás is number 1 in the world for official 4x4x4 Blindfolded. However we would not add a 1 to his score, because Erik has not competed in 4x4x4 Blindfolded in competition. I did this below, comparing the most likely candidates for the best overall speedcubers, Erik Akkersdijk and Mátyás Kuti.

Erik:

Rubik's Cube: 3,12
4x4x4 Cube: 3,5
5x5x5 Cube: 1,1
2x2x2 Cube: 11,6
3x3x3 blindfolded:25
3x3x3 one-handed 19,22
3x3x3 with feet 4
3x3x3 fewest moves 26
Rubik's Magic 3,10
Rubik's Master Magic 18,20
Megaminx 1,1
Pyraminx 24,21
Square-1 13,15
Rubik's Clock 12,15
3x3x3 multi blind 23
= 313

Mátyás:

Rubik's Cube: 35,11
4x4x4: Cube 1,1
5x5x5: Cube 2,4
2x2x2 Cube: 2,2
3x3x3 blindfolded: 1
3x3x3 one-handed: 20,8
3x3x3 with feet: 30
3x3x3 fewest moves: 36
Rubik's Magic: 1,1
Rubik's Master Magic: 2,1
Megaminx: 50,39
Pyraminx: 5,4
Square-1: 3,3
Rubik's Clock: 1,1
3x3x3 multi blind: 1
= 265

So we see here that Mátyás is the superior cuber officially, but now we get to the problem with judging the best overall cuber this way...because in a competition, many factors could make data inaccurate. Maybe the competition makes people nervous. Maybe a cuber hasn't been to a competition in a while. So this brings me to my final way of judging two cubers on overall ability.

This is, I think, the most accurate way of figuring out who of two people is the best overall cuber. For this way, you simply get cubing personal records from two people, and add up how they rank with each other.

For me to finish this Ultimate Speedcubing Showdown, I'm going to need some help from Erik and Mátyás. Please post a reply of your personal records. Then I can compare your ranks between each other and see who's really the superior cuber.

This can be done with others cubers of course as well. As I said before though, just make sure you compare the same categories. If you do do any comparisons, please post them as a reply to this thread.

Thank you if you read through all of me brainstorming ideas. Please reply!

 

[Erik]

I'm sorry to say this but it's quite impossible to compare us, we are different cubers with different styles and a different preference of the events we train for.

 

[Lucas Garron]

1) Mátyás is better overall.
2) Good luck getting times from Mátyás.
3) http://speedsolving.com/showpost.php?p=27965&postcount=54

It's like asking: "Who was the better publisher, Euler or Gauss?" Of course it's Euler, but only because he published so much that not even Gauss has a chance. (But I still like Gauss more. George will back up my choice).
(Feel free to critisize this analogy, but improve it if you do! An yes, I know it was Gauss who liked to present his results as polished, such that no one had an idea how he achieved them.)

 

[adragast]

I agree with Erik, you can't just compare these 2 with figures and determine the best "overall" cuber.
For example, when you say:
However we would not add a 1 to his score, because Erik has not competed in 4x4x4 Blindfolded in competition.
This is not necessarily a good idea. What about someone who would have competed in 3x3 only and would have a better time than Matyas ? Will that make him better than Matyas in this "overall cuber" comparison ?
But still, nice try to compare both of them

 

[masterofthebass]

Yeah, if you get rid of the last 3 events, square-1, pyraminx, and multi-BLD, then they're even closer. You can even take away megaminx, as Matyas is so bad (relatively). Like Erik said, there's no real way to compare them, and I think there's no real reason to.

 

[ExoCorsair]

Comparing apples to oranges, I see.

 

[KConny]

http://speedsolving.com/showpost.php?p=27965&postcount=54

That feature should be added to the real database.

 

[mrCage]

Hi

Matyas is the better puzzler, Erik maybe the better *Cuber* ...

My 2 eurocents,

Per

 

[Jason]

Yeah, I reckon that stefan Pochmann's tables should be put up on the WCA official results pages as well. It would be an extra statistic to challenge people, and encourage them to become more rounded. it would make marginal events more mainstream, which could be fun. I was getting excited cos I thought that this statistic was actually going to be published at some point.
Go Stephan, Go!!!!!!

 

[Mátyás Kuti(shaipo)]

It's completely... unnecessary...
Why ANYONE has to compare us? Hmm? Hmm?
But to answer your question: Erik is the better, because he's my hero.

 

[Stefan]

It's unlikely my table will become part of the official results pages. But it might be published on a new site accompanying the official site, together with other tools of that kind. I intend to make it flexible so that you can choose which events to include and which years to cover. Then you can choose the combination that makes you personally look best. In 3 months I have to be finished with my diploma thesis and afterwards I'll work on this kind of stuff.

 

[Erik]

No, if I had to choose someone out of the 2 it would DEFINATLY be Mátyás! He's MY hero!

 

[Jason]

It's unlikely my table will become part of the official results pages. But it might be published on a new site accompanying the official site, together with other tools of that kind. I intend to make it flexible so that you can choose which events to include and which years to cover. Then you can choose the combination that makes you personally look best. In 3 months I have to be finished with my diploma thesis and afterwards I'll work on this kind of stuff.

Excellent news, it's going to be like waiting for christmas. I must admit I do love a bit of stats action

 

[Dene]

Lol, ok, so if Erik and Mátyás worship each other, then, it seems that they will together push the boundaries of cubing alone, leaving everyone in their wake. I still want foot solving though!!

 

[Tomarse]

Lol why does it matter who is better, and if you say "cuber" meaning original rubik's cube? not just judging by who can solve more puzzles, so =/