The Great Cubing Debate

[Ronxu]

They have zero reference point to how good 23 moves is

So what? Most people don't cube to impress non-cubers and you shouldn't either.

 

[Galcor117]

So what? Most people don't cube to impress non-cubers and you shouldn't either.

-_-
Also, FMC is a simple extension of the normal 3x3 event

 

[turtwig]

-_-
Also, FMC is a simple extension of the normal 3x3 event

Not really. It's arguably the most unique of the events involving 3x3.

 

[Galcor117]

Not really. It's arguably the most unique of the events involving 3x3.

There are only 5 events involving 3x3
Actually that gave me an idea.
Feet is the “worst” event

 

[turtwig]

There are only 5 events involving 3x3

Your point is? That's just because we try not to include similar events in the WCA, a fact that probably supports my argument more than yours.
Honestly if FMC is just a "simple extension" of 3x3, then we should definitely also remove OH. The skill sets involved in 3x3 and OH are definitely more similar then if we compare 3x3 and FMC. If you look at the top ranked people for FMC, a lot of them aren't even sub-10 at 3x3.

 

[Galcor117]

Your point is? That's just because we try not to include similar events in the WCA, a fact that probably supports my argument more than yours.
Honestly if FMC is just a "simple extension" of 3x3, then we should definitely also remove OH. The skill sets involved in 3x3 and OH are definitely more similar then if we compare 3x3 and FMC. If you look at the top ranked people for FMC, a lot of them aren't even sub-10 at 3x3. (What does this even prove)

So
FMC>OH
I fail to see how OH is topped by FMC, when OH specialists are absolutely amazing at what they do. Bad argument

 

[teboecubes]

Two years? I’m close to sub 10 (sub 12) and I’ve been cubing for 1 1/2 years.

Do you think Old Dayan Coats will ever be commercially available on the market?

No. There's been a demand for them for a long time, and they haven't come yet. By the way, Dayan isn't that big of a company in the speecubing scene like it used to be, especially with the release of the ZhanChi 2017 and their new XiangYun.

What is the best cubing YouTube channel?

 

[turtwig]

So
FMC>OH
I fail to see how OH is topped by FMC, when OH specialists are absolutely amazing at what they do. Bad argument

Obviously how "good" an event is is subjective. You were the one that said that FMC is just a "simple extension" of 3x3, presumably in defense of your previous statement about removing FMC. I was pointing out that FMC is in fact quite different from 3x3 (for example, we see that people that are good at FMC are often not as good at 3x3, showing that the skill sets involved are probably quite different). In my view, how similar an event is to others is a good way to measure how worthy of an event it is (this is why we don't add more big cube events), and in that respect I believe that FMC>OH, as you put it. I never said that people who specialize in OH are not "amazing". In addition, I believe that FMC specialists are also "absolutely amazing", so I don't really know what you're trying to say.
I wouldn't advocate for either event to be removed, I am merely stating that if, according to you, FMC is a good choice of an event to be removed because of its similarity to 3x3, than there are other events that you could hold the same standard to. Apparently you wouldn't want OH to be removed, so I would ask why you believe FMC should be.

 

[Galcor117]

Obviously how "good" an event is is subjective. You were the one that said that FMC is just a "simple extension" of 3x3, presumably in defense of your previous statement about removing FMC. I was pointing out that FMC is in fact quite different from 3x3 (for example, we see that people that are good at FMC are often not as good at 3x3, showing that the skill sets involved are probably quite different). In my view, how similar an event is to others is a good way to measure how worthy of an event it is (this is why we don't add more big cube events), and in that respect I believe that FMC>OH, as you put it. I never said that people who specialize in OH are not "amazing". In addition, I believe that FMC specialists are also "absolutely amazing", so I don't really know what you're trying to say.
I wouldn't advocate for either event to be removed, I am merely stating that if, according to you, FMC is a good choice of an event to be removed because of its similarity to 3x3, than there are other events that you could hold the same standard to. Apparently you wouldn't want OH to be removed, so I would ask why you believe FMC should be.

touché except now I’m fixed on the idea that feet is the worst lol
Also you were the one who mention it was related to 3x3 and to be fair all 3x3 events are practically the same.
It is true that FMC may be the most “unique”, but that doesn’t make it a viable trait in many ways. Uniqueness isn’t important. Why do people want kilominx, when it’s a much easier megaminx?

No. There's been a demand for them for a long time, and they haven't come yet. By the way, Dayan isn't that big of a company in the speecubing scene like it used to be, especially with the release of the ZhanChi 2017 and their new XiangYun.

What is the best cubing YouTube channel?

TCKyewbs bc she volunteered to test HC Labs Cubes (my company) lol

 

[Cubed Cuber]

@Galcor117, what is the link to HC Labs Cubes?

 

[Galcor117]

https://www.speedsolving.com/forum/threads/selling-hypercoated-cubes.68023/

 

[Cubed Cuber]

thanks

 

[turtwig]

It is true that FMC may be the most “unique”, but that doesn’t make it a viable trait in many ways. Uniqueness isn’t important. Why do people want kilominx, when it’s a much easier megaminx?

Ease and uniqueness are different things. Why do we have 2-6 when we have 7x7? I've never solved a Kilominx, but I assume that the smaller size allows for different techniques from the Megaminx, just like how 2x2 and 3x3 are solved completely differently and how people generally use Yau for 4x4 (and sometimes 5x5) but not bigger cubes.

 

[Galcor117]

Ease and uniqueness are different things. Why do we have 2-6 when we have 7x7? I've never solved a Kilominx, but I assume that the smaller size allows for different techniques from the Megaminx, just like how 2x2 and 3x3 are solved completely differently and how people generally use Yau for 4x4 (and sometimes 5x5) but not bigger cubes.

Oh sorry forgot to add that it legit uses the same algs but some aren’t necessary

 

[turtwig]

Oh sorry forgot to add that it legit uses the same algs but some aren’t necessary

Like I said, I've never solved a Kilominx, so I wouldn't know. If it is in fact very similar to Megaminx, I would probably rather have a more unique event. However, I would argue that quickly finding pieces on a smaller puzzles is a different skill from being able to concentrate and find pieces on a bigger puzzle, which is why some people are very good at look ahead on big cubes but may not be as fast (relatively speaking) at look ahead on a 3x3. More fancy tricks can also be used on smaller puzzles. For example on 3x3 people use many fancy F2L and multislotting tricks, while on big cubes solving centers and especially edges is pretty much the same every time and for people of different skill levels.

 

[Galcor117]

Like I said, I've never solved a Kilominx, so I wouldn't know. If it is in fact very similar to Megaminx, I would probably rather have a more unique event. However, I would argue that quickly finding pieces on a smaller puzzles is a different skill from being able to concentrate and find pieces on a bigger puzzle, which is why some people are very good at look ahead on big cubes but may not be as fast (relatively speaking) at look ahead on a 3x3. More fancy tricks can also be used on smaller puzzles. For example on 3x3 people use many fancy F2L and multislotting tricks, while on big cubes solving centers and especially edges is pretty much the same every time and for people of different skill levels.

...and 2x2
Many people (not me, but many people) say that it’s a stupid event based on luck.
Kilominx is as far of a 2x2 to megaminx as it can get. Also, then we can have useless events like 2x2 pyraminx, Square 0, etc
I’d have to disagree and say that “larger end” puzzles are better to add than “teeny tiny puzzles”

 

[Ollie]

They have zero reference point to how good 23 moves is

Sure they do. When you tell them a machine can do it in 20 moves and an average speedsolve is 50+, then they can understand that 23 is good. Even if it takes an hour, to find people aren't dumb and can make the connection that cutting down those moves takes time and though and that you aren't a machine.

 

[turtwig]

...and 2x2
Many people (not me, but many people) say that it’s a stupid event based on luck.
Kilominx is as far of a 2x2 to megaminx as it can get. Also, then we can have useless events like 2x2 pyraminx, Square 0, etc
I’d have to disagree and say that “larger end” puzzles are better to add than “teeny tiny puzzles”

I would mostly agree, although I'd say that there's a balance, since we'd probably agree that bigger is not always better. A medium-sized puzzle could also be very fun (like 3x3).

 

[ItzSomebody]

This has gotten insanely off-topic.

When do you think Feliks Zemdegs will quit cubing?

 

[cubeshepherd]

This has gotten insanely off-topic.

When do you think Feliks Zemdegs will quit cubing?

When his fingers stop working . Seriously though, I do not think that he will ever stop and I think that he will always be cubing in some degree, even if it is just FMC or something akin, where is does not have to be very fast, although his "not very fast", will still be faster then a lot of people.

Will any team events or relays ever be an official WCA event/s. Such as team BLD, or 2x2-4x4 relay?