Tell'em About Jesus!

(X):
It seems you're basing your arguments on empiricism, but how do you really know that what you experience is trustworthy? If you don't, then your view of existence is also based on belief. Do you still think it is illogical?
 
Karthik said:
My point is, I don't know if god exists or not. Even if he does, I don't know what he wants. But I am pretty sure he doesn't want people to go visit temples/churches every Sunday. Or participate in elaborate religious rituals. Or fight one another in his name. I don't need religion to tell me that it is not a good thing to kill my neighbour. And certainly he doesn't ask for your money.
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I would have to agree, God doesn't wants us to do all of those things.

Zane_C said:
I'm an athiest, I know hate is a harsh word, but I F***ING HATE religion!
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Me too.

cardsNcubes said:
3) To answer all these people who question where the bad things(hunger, death, war, disease...), I believe God simply created the universe and hit the metaphorical "START" button. The horror in the world is created by the Free Will God gave us.
4) If God were to prove him/her/itself, then there would be no use for belief.
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Well done. Because God gave us free will, bad things are able to happen.

qqwref said:
But on the other hand, if you believe that God exists AND expects you to act in a certain way to appease him, there is a downside: you have to follow all of the rules that have been set up. For instance, serious adherents of Judaism have to make sure to only eat Kosher meat, and Muslims have to practice Ramadan. I think that restricting the activities you can do and keeping up with praying, church visits, etc. can all count as downsides.
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God doesn't expect you to act a certain way to appease him. He knows that no matter how hard you try, you can't.
 
qqwref said:
Edmund said:
There is no downside in believing in God.
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But on the other hand, if you believe that God exists AND expects you to act in a certain way to appease him, there is a downside: you have to follow all of the rules that have been set up. For instance, serious adherents of Judaism have to make sure to only eat Kosher meat, and Muslims have to practice Ramadan. I think that restricting the activities you can do and keeping up with praying, church visits, etc. can all count as downsides.
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Muslims actually "have" to do this thing called Namaz 5 times a day which is sort of like praying. But here, you say a bunch of prayers that are already in the Quran before you can actually pray for yourself. Then of course there are these animal sacrifices and Ramadan fastings. I believe that fear of death, the popularity of religion, epic and literary qualities in the books and the idea that believing in a god simply explains all the questions we can't answer are the primary reasons for people to believe in a god.
 
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qqwref said:
Edmund said:
There is no downside in believing in God.
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But on the other hand, if you believe that God exists AND expects you to act in a certain way to appease him, there is a downside: you have to follow all of the rules that have been set up. For instance, serious adherents of Judaism have to make sure to only eat Kosher meat, and Muslims have to practice Ramadan. I think that restricting the activities you can do and keeping up with praying, church visits, etc. can all count as downsides.
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I think you wanted to write, you want to, instead of have

When you do these things because you have to, it has no meaning (my opinion). I know I want to follow God rules. I know many Muslims wants to do Ramadan. If it is for you have to, it becomes religion/just follow rules without thinking.
 
nitrocan said:
I believe that ... epic and literary qualities in the books ... are the primary reasons for people to believe in a god.
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I agree that the books have some interesting literary qualities, but you don't have to believe in them to be able to appreciate that. I think Norse mythology is pretty awesome but that doesn't mean I think Odin and Loki and so on are actually real.

Ton said:
When you do these things because you have to, it has no meaning (my opinion). I know I want to follow God rules. I know many Muslims wants to do Ramadan. If it is for you have to, it becomes religion/just follow rules without thinking.
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You might want to follow the rules, but it does still restrict your life a bit, don't you think? Playing a video game all the time might be really fun too, but there is always a downside of not being able to get anything else done while you are playing.
 
The bible is god's words. If you don't follow the bible you are not following god's word, and therefore you are not a christian.

Snakes can't talk.

EDIT: And BTW, I own a Rubik's triamid, you don't
 
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qqwref said:
nitrocan said:
I believe that ... epic and literary qualities in the books ... are the primary reasons for people to believe in a god.
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I agree that the books have some interesting literary qualities, but you don't have to believe in them to be able to appreciate that. I think Norse mythology is pretty awesome but that doesn't mean I think Odin and Loki and so on are actually real.

Ton said:
When you do these things because you have to, it has no meaning (my opinion). I know I want to follow God rules. I know many Muslims wants to do Ramadan. If it is for you have to, it becomes religion/just follow rules without thinking.
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You might want to follow the rules, but it does still restrict your life a bit, don't you think? Playing a video game all the time might be really fun too, but there is always a downside of not being able to get anything else done while you are playing.
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Speaking of restrictions, my previous school bus driver used to stop whenever he saw a piece of bread on the ground, pick it up and then I don't know what he does with it later. Apparently it's a sin.
Or whenever ezan(calling to the mosque for praying) is being recited, everybody stops the music or anything that makes noise until it's done.
Lastly, to be able to perform all 5 Namaz prayers, you have to memorize a ridiculous amount of Arabic prayers (word by word and exactly as how it is) even if you aren't an Arab. Most of the people don't even know what they mean. It's interesing what people do just for the sake of "I don't know how many" virgins and doing whatever you want in heaven. (irony goes or went to me)
 
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Escher said:
Connor said:
AndreaBananas said:
qqwref said:
This guy has some pretty sick flow.
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No joke. It's actually pretty good.
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I'm the hiphopopotumus.
My lyrics are bottomless.
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...

Sometimes my rhymes are polite,
Like, "Thank you Mrs. Johnson for dinner, that was delicious, goodnight"
Other times they're obscene,
Like a pornographic R18 dream,
About *****es smothered in margarine,
Ha Ha Ha...
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... (different episode)

Some people say that rappers are invincible . . .

We're VINCIBLE! :D
 
nitrocan said:
Speaking of restrictions, my previous school bus driver used to stop whenever he saw a piece of bread on the ground, pick it up and then I don't know what he does with it later. Apparently it's a sin.
Or whenever ezan(calling to the mosque for praying) is being recited, everybody stops the music or anything that makes noise until it's done.
Lastly, to be able to perform all 5 Namaz prayers, you have to memorize a ridiculous amount of Arabic prayers (word by word and exactly as how it is) even if you aren't an Arab. Most of the people don't even know what they mean. It's interesing what people do just for the sake of "I don't know how many" virgins and doing whatever you want in heaven. (irony goes or went to me)
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Dude, please, stop acting like you actually know the religion. Just because you see it, doesn't mean you actually know what we do. So please, stop bombarding the religion.
 
mazei said:
nitrocan said:
Speaking of restrictions, my previous school bus driver used to stop whenever he saw a piece of bread on the ground, pick it up and then I don't know what he does with it later. Apparently it's a sin.
Or whenever ezan(calling to the mosque for praying) is being recited, everybody stops the music or anything that makes noise until it's done.
Lastly, to be able to perform all 5 Namaz prayers, you have to memorize a ridiculous amount of Arabic prayers (word by word and exactly as how it is) even if you aren't an Arab. Most of the people don't even know what they mean. It's interesing what people do just for the sake of "I don't know how many" virgins and doing whatever you want in heaven. (irony goes or went to me)
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Dude, please, stop acting like you actually know the religion. Just because you see it, doesn't mean you actually know what we do. So please, stop bombarding the religion.
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I believe he was a muslim living in turkey, so I guess he knows what he is talking about. I had conversations with him over MSN after the first religion thread and I believe he was a devout muslim then. :3
 
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