Tell'em About Jesus!

[elcarc]

The Bible only tells about things, as far as I know, in detail, that are in our galaxy.

So, would you say that the Bible doesn't talk about heaven in detail, or that heaven is in our galaxy?

The Bible isn't meant to be Encyclopedia Britannica.

I mean it doesn't talk about other galaxies, unless we are to believe that heaven is in all galaxies that aren't 'ours.'

Yes, I know it's not supposed to be all-encompassing, but one would think that God or whoever would at least mention such questions.

Maybe he doesn't need to, because maybe were not meant to go there.

Although I could be just naive.

 

[(X)]

When I look at the incredibly large amount of religions out there, I kind of see devoting to one as arrogant, because you are essentially saying that every, single, other religion, ever, is wrong, and yours is right. Even with Christianity there are different branches, all of which argue amongst themselves. I can't possibly put myself in on of these with complete confidence the beliefs of that religion are 100% true.

"We are all atheists about most of the gods that societies have ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further." --Richard Dawkins

 

[StachuK1992]

The Bible only tells about things, as far as I know, in detail, that are in our galaxy.

So, would you say that the Bible doesn't talk about heaven in detail, or that heaven is in our galaxy?

The Bible isn't meant to be Encyclopedia Britannica.

I mean it doesn't talk about other galaxies, unless we are to believe that heaven is in all galaxies that aren't 'ours.'

Yes, I know it's not supposed to be all-encompassing, but one would think that God or whoever would at least mention such questions.

Maybe he doesn't need to, because maybe were not meant to go there.

Although I could be just naive.

It's not a matter of being naive.
This is a group discussion; one in which everyone has an equal role, no matter what their beliefs.

And yes, maybe we're not supposed to go there, but I personally think that He would tell us not to, similarly to how He said, paraphrasing, "no fruit from that tree."
I've yet to see a place in the Bible where someone says "Don't leave Earth. It's a sin"
If God did in fact make everything, I would believe that he would want us to take in the beauty of other places that he'd made, as well as this planet.

Edit. (x). Just shut up.
Edit 2. Actually, I'll take the time to actually respond to that quote. It doesn't consider polytheism. That fact is weak sauce.

 

[elcarc]

The Bible only tells about things, as far as I know, in detail, that are in our galaxy.

So, would you say that the Bible doesn't talk about heaven in detail, or that heaven is in our galaxy?

The Bible isn't meant to be Encyclopedia Britannica.

I mean it doesn't talk about other galaxies, unless we are to believe that heaven is in all galaxies that aren't 'ours.'

Yes, I know it's not supposed to be all-encompassing, but one would think that God or whoever would at least mention such questions.

Maybe he doesn't need to, because maybe were not meant to go there.

Although I could be just naive.

It's not a matter of being naive.
This is a group discussion; one in which everyone has an equal role, no matter what their beliefs.

And yes, maybe we're not supposed to go there, but I personally think that He would tell us not to, similarly to how He said, paraphrasing, "no fruit from that tree."
I've yet to see a place in the Bible where someone says "Don't leave Earth. It's a sin"
If God did in fact make everything, I would believe that he would want us to take in the beauty of other places that he'd made, as well as this planet.

Edit. (x). Just shut up.

Then again, didnt a whole city get separated because they were trying to go so high they reached heaven? And god knows what was, and what will be, so preventing us from going to other galaxies could be preventing us from getting to proud of our selfs, and thinking we our selfs can reach heaven unnaturally.

 

[Ethan Rosen]

The Bible only tells about things, as far as I know, in detail, that are in our galaxy.

So, would you say that the Bible doesn't talk about heaven in detail, or that heaven is in our galaxy?

The Bible isn't meant to be Encyclopedia Britannica.

I mean it doesn't talk about other galaxies, unless we are to believe that heaven is in all galaxies that aren't 'ours.'

Yes, I know it's not supposed to be all-encompassing, but one would think that God or whoever would at least mention such questions.

Maybe he doesn't need to, because maybe were not meant to go there.

Although I could be just naive.

When the bible/torah was being written over the course of human history, we as humans did not know what the universe held, and we did not know a tiny fraction of what we now know as fact, which is still a tiny fraction of what will be accepted as fact in a few years. If there is an all-knowing God who is actively engaged in human life, I feel like it would have been smart of him to foresee that someday humans will discover new galaxies, and perhaps one day be able to send unmanned, and eventually manned vehicles. I just feel like it would have been nice of him to at least give us basic facts about the universe, and not a bunch of crap that was proven to be completely false.

 

[StachuK1992]

When the bible/torah was being written over the course of human history, we as humans did not know what the universe held, and we did not know a tiny fraction of what we now know as fact, which is still a tiny fraction of what will be accepted as fact in a few years. If there is an all-knowing God who is actively engaged in human life, I feel like it would have been smart of him to foresee that someday humans will discover new galaxies, and perhaps one day be able to send unmanned, and eventually manned vehicles. I just feel like it would have been nice of him to at least give us basic facts about the universe, and not a bunch of crap that was proven to be completely false.

QTF.

 

[Edmund]

If God did in fact make everything, I would believe that he would want us to take in the beauty of other places that he'd made, as well as this planet.

What about the Garden of Eden, which was suppose to be the most beautiful place but God has hid from us so we can't take in that beauty.

 

[(X)]

The Bible only tells about things, as far as I know, in detail, that are in our galaxy.

So, would you say that the Bible doesn't talk about heaven in detail, or that heaven is in our galaxy?

The Bible isn't meant to be Encyclopedia Britannica.

I mean it doesn't talk about other galaxies, unless we are to believe that heaven is in all galaxies that aren't 'ours.'

Yes, I know it's not supposed to be all-encompassing, but one would think that God or whoever would at least mention such questions.

Maybe he doesn't need to, because maybe were not meant to go there.

Although I could be just naive.

It's not a matter of being naive.
This is a group discussion; one in which everyone has an equal role, no matter what their beliefs.

And yes, maybe we're not supposed to go there, but I personally think that He would tell us not to, similarly to how He said, paraphrasing, "no fruit from that tree."
I've yet to see a place in the Bible where someone says "Don't leave Earth. It's a sin"
If God did in fact make everything, I would believe that he would want us to take in the beauty of other places that he'd made, as well as this planet.

Edit. (x). Just shut up.
Edit 2. Actually, I'll take the time to actually respond to that quote. It doesn't consider polytheism. That fact is weak sauce.

And i would be happy if you actually took the time to read the ENTIRE quote instead of picking at the wording

 

[Lofty]

Man, the one problem with online discussions. I go to class and I miss three pages of discussion!
1.) @(X) Did I claim to be open minded? I doubt I would ever use that word to describe myself. I'm open to dialogue with others so that they can understand my worldview better and so that they can understand Christianity better and not see it as foolish as you seem it think.
I'd like to learn more about others too. Not to convert but its always good to know about what others believe and to understand their perspective.
2.) Crap is not an appropriate word in a civil discussion. I'm not going to call other belief systems crap even though I very strongly disagree with them.
3.) The Bible isn't a science book. It doesn't pretend to be a science book. The Bible is primarily about God and how He relates to man and is a story of God's glory. I'm sorry that it doesn't give you a Unified Theory of Everything and unite gravity and quantum physics but that lies outside the scope of the subject of the book.
I think nonreligious people overemphasize the role religion plays in explaining unexplainable events and in the role of the existence of the physical universe. Thats not what the Bible sets out to do so it shouldn't be criticized for something it doesn't set out to do.
The Bible does talk about how the heavens proclaim the glory of God so in a sense it does talk about how the beauty of the universe and the complexity of us should give us more awe for God because of how much detail God put into His creation.
4.) What is this bunch of crap thats completely false? I'll be honest I don't know much about Genesis's primordial history and how that ties into archeology and what if its allegorical or literal whatever but after that I can atleast talk about whats in the Bible even if I'm not super educated on the subject.
Edit:
While I wait for others to respond I thought I would post some stuff in defense of the New Testament.
I would strongly recommend the book by the scholar F.F. Bruce "The New Testament Documents: Are They Reliable?". In the book it shows that the historical facts in the NT are very accurate, given the destruction of Jerusalem, the diversity in the Roman Empire, and how the roman officials liked to make up fancy titles for themselves, it would be hard to do if the documents were written at a time far removed from the events recorded and if the writers where not either eyewitnesses or spoke to eyewitnesses. Baring this in mind its then much more logical to consider what one believes about the miraculous acts recorded by the same authors.
One also has to consider such things as no one was denying that Jesus's body was gone. The jews didn't claim it was still there they provided an alternate explanation for why it would be gone. (The disciples stole the body)
He also interacts with the Josephus text mentioning Jesus and makes the argument that the text most Christians point to is not a later insertion but a later editing. Christians took a text that was originally very critical of Jesus and altered it to make it sound like Josephus approved of Him.
After you have all that historical background you can consider if you think men would be willing to die for a lie that they made up themselves. If the resurrection story of Christ was fabricated by the disciples after they stole His body and they didn't really witness miracles would they have really stood up under torture and martyrdom? I know people die for lies all the time, thats not the argument I'm making. Would I die for something I know that I made up just to play I nice trick on people down the road?
Edit2: The book is pretty short, 90 pages or so, and is available online if you are interested.

 

[StachuK1992]

And i would be happy if you actually took the time to read the ENTIRE quote instead of picking at the wording

I wasn't pestered by your belief. I was pestered by your attitude.
Big difference.
And I did read the entire quote. How else would I decipher the wording?

 

[(X)]

Man, the one problem with online discussions. I go to class and I miss three pages of discussion!
1.) @(X) Did I claim to be open minded? I doubt I would ever use that word to describe myself. I'm open to dialogue with others so that they can understand my worldview better and so that they can understand Christianity better and not see it as foolish as you seem it think.
I'd like to learn more about others too. Not to convert but its always good to know about what others believe and to understand their perspective.
2.) Crap is not an appropriate word in a civil discussion. I'm not going to call other belief systems crap even though I very strongly disagree with them.
3.) The Bible isn't a science book. It doesn't pretend to be a science book. The Bible is primarily about God and how He relates to man and is a story of God's glory. I'm sorry that it doesn't give you a Unified Theory of Everything and unite gravity and quantum physics but that lies outside the scope of the subject of the book.
I think nonreligious people overemphasize the role religion plays in explaining unexplainable events and in the role of the existence of the physical universe. Thats not what the Bible sets out to do so it shouldn't be criticized for something it doesn't set out to do.
The Bible does talk about how the heavens proclaim the glory of God so in a sense it does talk about how the beauty of the universe and the complexity of us should give us more awe for God because of how much detail God put into His creation.
4.) What is this bunch of crap thats completely false? I'll be honest I don't know much about Genesis's primordial history and how that ties into archeology and what if its allegorical or literal whatever but after that I can atleast talk about whats in the Bible even if I'm not super educated on the subject.

I want to be a Christian but I'm a very logical (14 year old) thinker

 

[Zeroknight]

I want to be a Christian but I'm a very logical (14 year old) thinker

Now, you're just straight up trolling. Could you please at least try to engage in the discussion intellectually?

 

[Logan]

Man, the one problem with online discussions. I go to class and I miss three pages of discussion!
1.) @(X) Did I claim to be open minded? I doubt I would ever use that word to describe myself. I'm open to dialogue with others so that they can understand my worldview better and so that they can understand Christianity better and not see it as foolish as you seem it think.
I'd like to learn more about others too. Not to convert but its always good to know about what others believe and to understand their perspective.
2.) Crap is not an appropriate word in a civil discussion. I'm not going to call other belief systems crap even though I very strongly disagree with them.
3.) The Bible isn't a science book. It doesn't pretend to be a science book. The Bible is primarily about God and how He relates to man and is a story of God's glory. I'm sorry that it doesn't give you a Unified Theory of Everything and unite gravity and quantum physics but that lies outside the scope of the subject of the book.
I think nonreligious people overemphasize the role religion plays in explaining unexplainable events and in the role of the existence of the physical universe. Thats not what the Bible sets out to do so it shouldn't be criticized for something it doesn't set out to do.
The Bible does talk about how the heavens proclaim the glory of God so in a sense it does talk about how the beauty of the universe and the complexity of us should give us more awe for God because of how much detail God put into His creation.
4.) What is this bunch of crap thats completely false? I'll be honest I don't know much about Genesis's primordial history and how that ties into archeology and what if its allegorical or literal whatever but after that I can atleast talk about whats in the Bible even if I'm not super educated on the subject.

I want to be a Christian but I'm a very logical (14 year old) thinker

REALLY? I'm not even going to respond to that!

 

[Lofty]

I want to be a Christian but I'm a very logical (14 year old) thinker

Now, you're just straight up trolling. Could you please at least try to engage in the discussion intellectually?

Sorry (X), I don't want to dismiss you but I agree with zeroknight. You are going to start to have to engage the discussion more if you want us to take you more seriously.
If you truly want to be a Christian I think enough information has already been presented in this thread for you to say a little more than that.
But I could more fully explain the details of the gospel if you would like.
Btw I have edited my last post to add more material.
Edit: For my own personal benefit, there's no way for what I'm saying to misconstrued as just wanting to have a civil cultural exchange is there? I do honestly care about my fellow cubers and do not want them to suffer the wrath of God when a Substitute has been provided. Plus God deserves to be worshiped by all. I don't want to overemphasize civil intellectual discussion if it detracts from my main goal.

 

[linkmaster03]

I want to be a Christian but I'm a very logical (14 year old) thinker

Why do you want to be a Christian?

 

[Logan]

I want to be a Christian but I'm a very logical (14 year old) thinker

Why do you want to be a Christian?

He's mocking my post from earlier.


This one:

I don't know what I am. I want to be a Christian but I'm a very logical (14 year old) thinker, and there aren't many absolute "facts" proving it (Christianity). I go to church (most of the time ), and prey, and go to youth group things (like camp), but in the inside I just don't believe. It sucks because I lose nights of sleep worrying that I might die tomorrow and just "black out". I really need help here. I don't care if it's "true" or not, I just need something to help me believe, and to make me feel better (Isn't that why they made religions? So people don't freak out about death?).

Thank you for reading my rant. Any help will be appreciated.

 

[krazedkat]

So Jesus is your Lord? NO! GOD IS THE LORD... Jesus is just the Christians' savior...

 

[Ethan Rosen]

So Jesus is your Lord? NO! GOD IS THE LORD... Jesus is just the Christians' savior...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_trinity

 

[Lofty]

So Jesus is your Lord? NO! GOD IS THE LORD... Jesus is just the Christians' savior...

That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9

 

[krazedkat]

Strange...
A) I'm a Jew, so no jesus
B) God's commandment says to praise only one god, him!